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Pictures from March 2nd Peace March
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
Pictures from the unpermitted march that occured in Pittsburgh on March 2nd 2003.
The above picture is from immediately after the peace rally at the William Pitt Union as the marchers took Fifth Ave.
Thanks to all who attended and for those who couldn't but support our efforts! This rally and march was encouraging, lets make the March 15th event even bigger and better! See http://www.organizepittsburgh.org for more information.
More pictures and descriptions follow.
Drum Group
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
A group of drummers marched towards the front of the crowd.
Across Fifth Ave
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
The march spanned the entire distance across Fifth Ave in Oakland.
Another Shot Across Fifth Ave
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
First Police Along March Route
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
These were the first police encountered along the march route. They seemed to be just observing at this point in time.
March Turns Towards Petersen Events Center
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
The march turned towards the Petersen Events Center where a Pitt basketball game was ready to occur. This is where the march first encountered both agresive police presence and angry citizens. While marching up the hill one participant was singled out by police for arrest but a successful unarrest was performed. A quick change of appearance avoided future arrest.
Rounding Turn
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
While rounding the turn in front of te Petersen Events Center cries from the crowd ranged from vulgarities to requests for us to all go to Iraq,
Angry White Men Part 1
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
These two angry white men sure were good at posing and yelling. The man on the left just liked to give the finger and scream a lot. The man on the right kept turning around and pointing the the USMC logo on his back and yelling "This is where it's at!" I'm sure both are proud to be immortalized on the web.
Aggresive Police
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
This was the first police officer encountered with a large baton. He seemed rather timid, but was soon joined by his angrier partner.
Angry White Men Part 2
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
Yet another angry white man. This one, driving a late model Cadillac nearly ran over a group of marchers as he quickly backed out of a parking garage. After nearly being struck, I snapped this picture and was then threatened by a police officer with a large baton.
Police Posturing
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
The officer on the left was much angrier than his counterpart on the right. He seemed intent on using that baton for something. Luckily, as far as I know, no one was struck.
Screaming Cop
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
Once again, this officer was angry! He really liked to yell at people. This is the same officer that threatened me with his baton for taking a picture of the man in the Cadillac.
Continuing On
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
The march continued on down towards Fifth Ave, past the hospitals.
Fifth Ave
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
Once at Fifth Ave the march attempted to go against the flow of traffic, but was blocked by a handful of police and squad cars.
Forbes Ave
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
After being blocked from going against the flow of traffic up Fifth Ave, the march took Forbes Ave.
Overhead View
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
Overhead view of the march as it passed the Towers and David Lawrence Hall along Forbes Ave.
Up Fifth Ave!
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
The march went past the William Pitt Union along Bigelow Blvd and proceeded to go against the flow of traffic up Fifth Ave for a few blocks. The police attempted to stop the progress of the march and even called in a police wagon, but the march went on.
Angry White Men Part 3
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
This man felt the need to express his intelligence to everyone by jumping forth from his vehicle and yelling at the marchers. All he could muster was continuous screams of "Fuck You Asshole!" This was the only man along the route who I thought may resort to violence, but he did not. Once he noticed the flashes firing in his direction he moved away. I'm sure he is also proud to be immortalized for all to see.
Note: Is it just me, or does anyone else notice a pattern with the angry people along the route? The only angry people I encountered were middle-aged white men sporting moustaches ans short hair. And they were all so articulate in their views, screaming obscenities and trying to run people over in their Caddy's. These are the faces of war-mongers.
Supportive in Traffic
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
There were many more people flashing peace signs from their vehicles than those jumping forth and screaming at us.
Cathedral of Learning
by Brad Cue
Sunday, Mar. 02, 2003 at 11:43 PM
Noticing a roadblock at Forbes and Bellefield, much of the march tuned and went across the Cathedral of Learning Lawn. It was estimated that a mass arrest was less likely to occur on campus. Some of the march proceeded further, but at this point I didn't wish to risk arrest and continue on more.
I wonder
by JonUs
Monday, Mar. 03, 2003 at 12:07 AM
2 points
1 if I had seen you on your little march I would have expressed yself a little better than the guys you encountered did.
2 you seem to imply that the police had no purpose in carrying the batons. When clearly they did since last time your little friends in the masks decided to attack the marine recruitment center.
JonUs
3rd point
by JonUs
Monday, Mar. 03, 2003 at 12:10 AM
Oh wait I have a third point also. The symbol that you refer to as a "peace" sign. Originally was a "Victory" sign after WW1 or 2 I can't remember which.
JonUs
A victory sign...
by Daniel Papasian
Monday, Mar. 03, 2003 at 12:47 AM
Sure, it was a victory sign in the War to End All Wars.
Which is what they called the first world war once upon a time, too. The irony of that is thick; clearly we were being lied to with the "war to end all wars / war to bring peace" talk. Just like we're being lied to about war to stabilize the mideast/world...
-Dan (who is proudly featured in the last picture (20web.jpg) in the very front, just left of center, wearing brown pants and a black jacket with a single button on it)
Come on Jonus
by --
Monday, Mar. 03, 2003 at 1:10 AM
What are our tax dollars going for in the Air Force if you have so much time on your hands? Do people try to disrupt what seems to be your favorite website (Free Republic) in this way? It seems immature behavior for a member of our distinguished military.
JonUs...
by Sam
Monday, Mar. 03, 2003 at 8:41 AM
1. That's good to hear, JonUs. I'd love to have an intelligent, civil discussion with someone whose views differed from my own.
However, absolutely no one -- *no one* -- who expressed opposition to the views of the demonstrators articulated any sort of point. They shouted obscenities. This leads me to believe that they really *don't know* why they oppose our views. Theirs is a conditioned response encouraged by right-wing talk show hosts and Free Republic.
2. *You* seem to imply that everyone at the Convergence condoned the action of the one protestors who threw a brick through one window of the Marine Recruitment Center. That's simply not the case.
Personally, I did and do condone it. The institution of property is an institution of theft and violence. Its destruction (in the case of that window) is not an act of violence, but an act of reclaiming. Besides, the cost of replacing a window is miniscule compare to the immense human cost of war.
3. It's still a victory sign. It stands for victory in the struggle against war and against the exploitation of the many by the few.
as far as
by JonUs
Monday, Mar. 03, 2003 at 10:13 AM
As far as this comment :
"What are our tax dollars going for in the Air Force if you have so much time on your hands? Do people try to disrupt what seems to be your favorite website (Free Republic) in this way? It seems immature behavior for a member of our distinguished military."
I come here when Long SQL queries or compiles are running and time where I would be just sitting here bored. I try to do my posting from home but sometimes I have a few extra minutes.
As for FreeRepublic being my favorite site. I would disagree just the next one I visit after I see the what independent media is putting out for the day.
JonUs
Jon
by Evan N
Monday, Mar. 03, 2003 at 1:54 PM
Jon i find it sad that you seem to charachterize the entire war march and by extension the entire anti-war movement by some kid in a mask breaking the window of the marine recruitment office. If you happened to look outside the window, you would have seen that almost all of the marchers were just ordinary every-day citizens opposing the war. Look beyond what one kid did and see the movement in its entirety before you criticize it by what one of its members did.
- Evan (7th picture down, right in front of the march with the american peace flag and the red sweatshirt)
Evan
by JonUs
Wednesday, Mar. 05, 2003 at 6:46 PM
I know that there people who are not wearing ski masks and destroying thing but, this website and some of the people on it say that these things are good.
How can you honestly be against the war in Iraq? I understand that war is horrible but sometimes you have to deal with it.
JonUs
Some perspective
by Quinten
Wednesday, Mar. 05, 2003 at 8:14 PM
"I know that there people who are not wearing ski masks and destroying things..."
You need to be more precise. One person broke one window. And it was not at random. It was the window of a military recruitment center. This had a direct link to the cause that the person was protesting for.
And while I don't believe personally in destruction of property, I don't think it's as hard to justify as you seem to. I recommend that you read historian Howard Zinn's treatise "Nine Fallacies on Law and Order." It is published by the South End Press, although it might be possible to find it elsewhere.
In it, Zinn makes one key point. He argues that "Violence, no matter how important the cause, becomes unpardonable the more it becomes indiscriminate; hence war, even for "good" reasons, is very hard to justify in these days of high-level bombing and long-range artillery....Violence might be justifiable as it approaches the focusing and control of surgery." And he goes on to give the example of how resistance to Hitler was justified.
He talks more specifically about civil disobedience and argues that this question of proportionality and discrimination needs to be at the forefront. Even in the situations of utmost urgency with very vital issues at stake (and other means have been exhausted), "[civil disobedience] would have to be guarded, limited, aimed carefully at the source of the injustice, and preferably directed against property rather than people." (48)
I do believe that these criteria have essentially been met here. Massive civil disobedience is one thing that the Bush administration cannot ignore. And the stakes are VERY high. We're talking about one broken window versus the murder of potentially hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
I don't condemn whomever broke that window, although I doubt I would have the chutzpah to do it myself.
possibly
by JonUs
Thursday, Mar. 06, 2003 at 12:34 AM
I will put that on my list of books to read. Although I probably wont finish it. I used to read all that type of stuff when I was a socalist. Anyway, I will add it on to the list.
So let me hear what your proposed solution would be to the Iraq issue.
Jonus
Violence
by --
Thursday, Mar. 06, 2003 at 11:40 AM
I'd like to point out that out of all of the events in Pittsburgh, from the J24-26 convergence to the most recent march on M2, there has not been one act of violence committed by demonstrators. The police have in isolated incidences pushed, shoved, or threatened demonstrators, but the demonstrators themselves have been perfect.
What I don't understand is when property destruction became violent. The ultimate impact is paying a monetary sum for immoral actions (if the government can impose fines, why can't the people). Further, every American History class goes on celebrating the Boston Tea Party -- a perfect example of targeted property destruction. Americans know where to look when they fight injustice (to governments' and corporations' wallets), it's in well within our traditions, ethics, and responsibilities to continue these actions, or support them if you don't have the chutzpah!
WE WON
by RPAL
Thursday, Mar. 06, 2003 at 2:44 PM
I was a the march and in my opinon it was small but spectacular. I loved to see all of the assholes in front of the b-ball arena flipping us off, it is a shame that basketball is more important then a peacemovment.
In regard to the cops, they were asses, in the papers they blamed us for blocking the streets when in fact they blocked the streets as much as us. Come join us on March 16th for round #3.
angry cops
by kim
Friday, Mar. 07, 2003 at 7:04 PM
i feel that you people who are always against cops should take a long hard look at yourselves and then ask yourselves why do these cops get angry with us? is it because i am acting like a complete ass? the answer to that is yes you are acting like ASSES. they are only doing their jobs...if you wouldnt be so unruly they wouldnt need to be agressive...it's one thing to protest against something you believe in but it is a completly different thing when you start blaming cops for your poor behavior. you may need them someday so have a litle respect and don't go accussing them for things that didn't happen
March 16th?
by SFS student
Friday, Mar. 07, 2003 at 10:02 PM
What is this rally on March 16. I am from toledo and will be in the fine city of cleveland for a peace rally on the 12th, will any one else be there?
--
by --
Saturday, Mar. 08, 2003 at 1:12 PM
http://www.organizepittsburgh.org
March 16th
1:00pm Picnic for peace
2:00pm Permitted rally
3:00pm un-permitted march
Flagstaff Hill in Schenley Park (right next to CMU in Oakland) a map is on pog's website.
SHITHEADS
by -------
Monday, Mar. 10, 2003 at 5:38 PM
YOU THINK THE COPS WERE ASSES, HOLY FUCK TAKE A LONG LOOK AT THE FREAKS THAT WERE IN THAT MARCH. YOU MOTHERFUCKERS HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO.THE COPS HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO BLOCK THE STREETS, YOU DONT.YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES THINK THAT YOU ARE SO ABOVE EVERYTHING.DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT IS GOING TO STOP A WAR BECAUSE A COUPLE OF HUNDRED PEAOPLE CONSISTING OF COLLEGE KIDS WHO DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE WORLD OTHER THAN THE WORLD THAT MOMMY AND DADDY PAY FOR.
More Angry People
by Brad Cue
Tuesday, Mar. 11, 2003 at 3:02 PM
Look at the post directly above this one. Yet another pro-war person who can't discuss the issues. No, but they can scream obscenities. Wow... who would have thought?
Please, all of you pro-war people out there, come to the March 16th rally and voice your opinion. Your obscenities and screaming just benefit our cause.
And to address your concerns about my schooling, life and general well being. I am employed and have been working at the same locally owned publication for over five years now. In that time I've also managed to go to engineering school, which I am a mere four classes away from finishing... on the Dean's list no less. In my spare time I've taught myself the art of photography and have become pretty well read in world politics. Thanks for your concern that I'm a "shithead" who knows nothing about the world, but hopefully now you understand that there's a bit more to the story. Unfortunately, you have only convinced everyone who reads this board that you, not I, am the "shithead" to put in your terms. Thanks!
-brad
If you don't have anything nice to say...
by Troy Shelley
Tuesday, Mar. 18, 2003 at 3:16 PM
axelfear@yahoo.com
If it wasn't for the ten or so people I allied with to continue the march past the Pro-War frat Delta Upsilon, there would have been alot of frat boys (and girls) skulls busted. We were marching for peace. You were posted in front of your liberal fraternity with hatred in your hearts. We continued the march past you guys to save your reputations (and your brains) from being splattered all over Forbes Avenue.
So, in retrospect you owe your safety to the 10 or so protesters who decided that you were worth anything at all.
Much Love for the fire of Activism!
And if you want to threaten someone with your childish threats aim at a target that won't retaliate with fiery passion against you.
Love All
Troy
www.geocities.com/axelfear/axel_fear
i road away with a smile
by laura maloney
Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2003 at 6:27 PM
laurajanemaloney@hotmail.com
this guy and the other cop that always had a bat, and a smirk on his face were all over me at all of these rallies..... i remember yelling at the cop when he told me to get off the street..... i was on my bike... i yelled to him that it is the law that i am not allowed on the sidewalk.... they sweung their bats at my spokes.... luckily i was on my bike... i just road away with a smile. little devil i am.
did you have your helmet on?
by jeff
Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2003 at 7:52 PM
hopefully when you put your very existence on earth in this most dangerous and momentous lapse called a merton center peace march...you had your helmet on...lest you fall and injury come upon you...even the cop would be held harmless in your neccesity to be maintained on a respirator because the curb and your skull met with a sharp glancing blow from a port authority bus bumper.... it would then be the corporate america you hate so much that would subsidize your every remaining breath on earth...comatose and stupid to it all. Do something useful with your life please. This little Commie chat page is extremely boring and very tiresome...and most assuredly not even capable of becoming long in the tooth. Thank God.
oh jeff.
by coffee-fueled revolutionary
Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2003 at 8:17 PM
so verbose, yet so nosensical. the corporations most certainly do fund respirators for fallen leftists, don't they?
my hope is that as you read this boring and tiresome "chat page" you will fall asleep-- because while you status quo supporters sleep, we wide-eyed caffienated renegades will seize america for the revolution!
you're right
by jeff
Wednesday, Mar. 19, 2003 at 8:34 PM
you are so right...excessive caffeine has been studied in other monkey trials for its propensity to cause seizures..unfortunately most of these are only visible while the subject is monitored via an electroencephalograph.
wow
by none of your buisness
Friday, Mar. 21, 2003 at 11:36 PM
im not for war, but if some Dictator in iraq is following hitllers footsteps i say take him out. I also want to add long live the punk life, death to skinheads and one day we will all live in ANARCHY. Fuck the Government, Fuck war and of corse ANTI-EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
to none of your business
by Nathan J
Friday, Mar. 21, 2003 at 11:43 PM
the parallels between saddam and hitler notwithstanding, you should check out this tidbit: http://wmass.indymedia.org/newswire/display/392/index.php
of course it's moot since you want to take the gov't out anyway. ;)
war
by willy59802
Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 10:52 AM
other than communism, marxism, facism, and socialism, war never solved anything
Hippies
by James
Thursday, Feb. 01, 2007 at 6:18 PM
pissedoff@hotmail.com 445-332-5323 5436 Benvalen Dr.
Yes you should be treated this way. Learn to stand up and fight for what is right and don't be an ignorant hippie. Without a military fighting to end oppression we would be in oppression right now. Most of us soldiers in Iraq support Bush because we know what is going on because we are actually their. We don't rely on the biased and corrupted media for our news. If you are intelligent enough to understand this then you will agree with me that a lot of news organizations can tell people one thing and the majority will believe them because they have the funds to broadcast garbage to people. Don't rely on the media for news about certain things but instead be opened minded and research for yourself. Thank you.
"Without a military fighting to end oppression we would be in oppression right now.&q
by US = police state
Friday, Feb. 02, 2007 at 7:41 PM
We are in oppression right now. Habeus corpus is a thing of the past. So is privacy. Travel is being restricted. People are actively encouraged to spy on their neighbors and coworkers. This place is turning into the USSA.
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