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gradmother bitten by police dog
by mena Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:39 PM

Grandmother bitten by an out of control police dog while following police orders to disperse, following an overreaction by the police to an incident between a dissident protester and a cameraman at an anti-military recruitment rally in Oakand.

gradmother bitten by...
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seven against one
by mena Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:39 PM

seven against one...
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How many policemen does it take to silence one grandmother?
Seven plus batons and dog

controlling the dog
by mena Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:39 PM

controlling the dog...
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the problem was that this young policeman could not control the dog between his legs.

war is obsolete
by mena Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:39 PM

war is obsolete...
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war is obsolete for civilized peoples.
Mediation not Militarism

"it the economy stupid"
by mena Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:39 PM

"it the economy...
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I will write letters!
by Vincent Fischer Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 4:25 PM
TheConstitutionrules@hotmail.com

I am writing from NJ, where I am an editor with NJ indymedia. Firstly, I would like to express my solidarity with the protestors, especially those who were victims of police brutality.

When I return home this evening, I plan on writing polite, but firm, letters expressing my distress to Amnesty Interational, as well as the mayor of Pittsburgh and each of the individual city council members. I've noticed that the contact information for the city council is here:
http://www.city.pittsburgh.pa.us/police/

I will certainly mention in the letters the motto of the Pittsburgh police department, “Our mandate is the continued protection and enhancement of our diverse neighborhood by orking in partnership with our citizens to creatively solve problems, always remaining sensitive to the authority with which we’re entrusted. It is our challenge to provide committed service through accountability, integrity and respect.”

In the past, I have been pleased with the outcome of
letter writing campaigns that I have been a part of. For example, Amensty responded in 2003 with a statement against the excessive force the Oakland police used against anti-war demonstratores in 2003. http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGAMR510562003
These things do matter to the powers that be, and also, I'd imagine may be helpful in subsequent civil rights litigation.

Nothing the protestors did warranted the police attacks. It is important that the victims know this, as undoubtedly some may be experiencing post traumatic stress.

Finally, as I write this I noticed that an article went up on counterpunch about the attacks in Pittsburgh, as well as out in Utah. http://www.counterpunch.org/kilroy08232005.html

The world is watching. Do not despair.

Your Wrong!
by dmb Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 8:53 PM

The grandmother was asked to move along or the dog would bite her. She didn't comply with police orders and standed around like she didn't hear anyone when she did and took her lazy ass time. she was warned that if she didn't move along she would be bitten, and she was. This media organization has this whole story so out of fuckin proportion it is ridiculous.

The camera man that WAS punched did not provoke the attack, he was excercising his constitional rights for freedom of the press, as were the protesters for freedom of speech and peaceful assembly.

You asshole protesters who think you are making a difference are making it worse for yourselfs and this country. Go to class and get an education and then really make a difference.

You people are so damn clueless it is an embarresment.

thanks for posting here DMB
by jim Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 9:23 PM

Freak Republic should be proud of you my friend. They send you over here undoubtedly because you are the only one of their number who can type and masturbate to the boy king picture simultaneously. You will notice one subtle difference in this forum in comparison to the one from which you issue. We will tolerate opposing views. We will not ban you. We may think you to be an arrogant ass but tolerate you we will. And not merely for your entertainment value, we actually do respect your right to your opinion. However assinine it may be. So please in your very best one handed effort try to explain this concept to all the fine folks over there who hide behind computer screens and cheer on the war. Saddle up asshole the christian militaristic corporate regime is looking for flag waving morons just like you. We promise you that if you want to get your sorry pansy ass into the recruiting station we'll make way.

You're is not your
by jim Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 9:35 PM

Increasingly we are made aware of the backwoods, redneck, cars fast in a circle, trailer trash, Jack Daniels for Breakfast, wife beating uneducated mentality folks with names like dmb bring to venues such as this. Assuming that perhaps missing the contraction connecting ' and the words operable E is akin to excluding the U in DMB, we here at indy pitts (please don't confuse this with the smell of burning rubber and internal combustion contests that produce loud gutteral swills from guys with names like Bubba or Little someone or other) would like to ask you to please point out your particular institution of higher learning that we in turn may avoid it.

Out of control dog?
by 2 sides to every story Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 11:36 AM

How is the dog out of control? The dog is on a leash. Another photo is mislabled as "7 against 1" when it should read "Protester refusing to follow orders to leave"

You're uneducated
by Ian Jeffries Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 12:01 PM

Really that's all...your spelling and grammar is atrocious...making it quite clear who actually needs the education.

But for the record - the next time you get your hillbilly knickers in a knot - and decide to leave hateful comments about a situation that is clearly out of your league:

-stood NOT "standed"
-cameraman NOT "camera man"
-exercising NOT "excercising"
-constitutional NOT "constitional"
-yourselves NOT "yourselfs"
-embarrassment NOT "embarresment"

Who's the embarrassment now, retard?

Too big for the pig
by Frank Nieman Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 12:25 PM

The diminutive Saddam wannabee is too small to control the dog, who is at least as tall as he is.
Besides, isn't there some kind of 'war on terror' and a 'war on drugs'? Wouldn't the K-9 be of more use (with a better handler) looking for explosives or drugs, instead of pretending it's Selma, Alabama in the early 60's?

Still Missing The Point....
by dmb Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 3:29 PM

....you're coverage is wrong, stongly biased and obviously the work of a college journalist. The woman deserved to get bitten for not listening to the officer's order.

Oh, and you wanna call me out and call me names and say I am a hick, doesn't bother me.

What does bother me is the fact you can't stick to the topic of the discussion.

On Point and succinct
by jim Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 12:38 AM

I'm unsure as to whether I've called you out or not. I've always maintained that If there is traffic on a congested street and batoned policemen walking from one direction yelling to disperse and K-9 policemen coming from the other direction with agitated dogs yelling to disperse. It is most generally thought in persons with the slightest modicum of self preservation that to disperse is a fantastic idea. However, the mechanics of the situation, given the choices, a)be struck by a motor vehicle b)be bitten by a ferocious animal or c) be hit with a taser or baton don't necessarily produce a clear viable option. What would you do in such a situation? Clearly the cameraman made a fantastic days wages, the policemen were given erroneous information, and the situation degenerated beyond that which anyone would have anticipated. Oddly, the cameraman was not charged with anything? How could that be.? This is a common tactic. Mostly conducted in third world countries until of late. It's a sad sad time we live in my friend. Evidence Pat Robertson asking for a democratically elected leader to be asassinated. Sad indeed. Obviously Robertson is a terrorist. Clearly we are at war with terrorists or so it is said. If someone comes to your home, kills your family, takes whatever they wish, and beats you to within an inch of your life then declares you to be an insurgent, what would you describe yourself as? The Iraqis are doing just that to other Iraqis they've hated for years. Where does it end my friend? I have a son serving. I want him safe and at home with his wife and child. I'll fight this fight. If that is calling you out, so be it.

bite that bags bags doggie
by woofwoofgrannie Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 5:47 AM

doesnt a old ass lady have anything better to do that protest...she may have did this in the 60's or 70's, but i think its time to hang up your damn peace button grandma, extinguish the bra that you lit, but it back on, and go do what old people do...dont get me wrong, id like ya to keep the bra off and give ya something to do instead of protest, but you didnt belong there, so put on a band aid, pop a geritol and go back to the home...

Clearly a Child Left Behind
by Armed Agitated Liberal Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 8:42 AM

I'm struggling to see your references and to keep up with where they come from when you say that the woman who was bitten should have been in a rest home. Are your comments derived from a family situation where none of you have no responsibility for your elder relatives? Are you suggesting that with your comment regarding to undergarments that you are sexually aroused by geriatric womens physiques? Perhaps Your Grandmother is in a better setting then. Your writing skills are deplorable and maybe you really are the poster child that even a moron president who cannot speak or read feels sorry for. I too feel sorry for you. Not in the sense that you are in any way able to be rehabilitated to coexist within society, I'm sorry for your mother who undoubtedly each day awakens, considers you and realizes that the best part of you remained on the sheets. If only mothers had the chance to rethink their children. I support Abortion for this very reason. I also support retroactive abortion, consider a gift of a glock for mommy this Christmas season.

greetings to my new pal, armed agitated liberal
by suck a pigs hog armed agitated liberal Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 5:53 AM

to my new found pal, Armed Agitated Liberal, first off, i didn't know this was a grammer or writing exam where all grammer should be proper. as you can tell by some of the shit for brains that write on this site, of course your douche bag, sorry excuse for human life self included, the typical grade level completed to me seems to be about 5th grade. my comments were not directed in a sexual way to any geriatric women, just tellin granny gums i could find her something to do other than stand on a corner and protest something which in a hour or 2 her senile ass would forget anyway. struggle to see the light of day, or breathing for that matter, meaning, since you cant comprehend anything, to basically take that glock you referred to, place the barrel in either your mouth, temple, or vagina, place a finger on the trigger, and die, please. if you need a glock, i have 2 that would gladly be loaned to you for this purpose, as im sure all of earth and every other possible planet with any life form on it would applaud my kindness in this loan. speaking of abortion, its nice to see the first abortion that could type chimed in on this site. really feel scared of a armed liberal. its people like you that make taseing people so much fun...i greatly take care of my elders in my family, which for the most part are in good health and not in homes, also well in their late 70's-80's...they too wish nothing but pain, and death for you, and hope that you soon will be on the end of a taser, in the very near future. in closing, id like to just say, i get a real kick out of you fucking idiots that take this shit to heart. find something better to do than look to cry about this stupid fucking protest, and all the faggots that wore those queer masks and didnt have the balls to show off their pussy faces. also, have a shitty day, and die a slow, slow, slow, painful death you liberal queef.

PAHLEESE
by Grampa Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 8:21 AM

Have you ever tried to get granny to shut up. I am surprised it took only 7 police and one dog. That crazy old bat is always yammering away at these rallies. She thinks that she is actually saying something important. And there she goes about how things were better back int hte day, and the time she won the Jitterbug Against The Japanese Internment contest, and then there was that time she blew Jimmy Hendricks backstage, and how she narrowly escaped death the time she told Ted Kennedy she would find her own ride home, and how she taught Monica Lewinsky how to treat a President and she would be happy to give you the best hummer you ever had if you could just give her a minute to take her teeth out. Oh Puhleese. I would have set the dog upon her too just because it would probably be the only way to get her to shut up. It was either that or open up a bingo parlor across the street, because she can not avoid bingo.

Why is all theis rightwing propaganda on Indymedia?
by just wondering Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 11:00 AM

Whose side is Pgh-IMC on, anyway?

Clearly a child left behind part 2
by Armed agitated liberal Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 4:08 PM

I see now and a hearty thank you for pointing it out, you weren't left behind at all. You were outright abandoned. Were you sad as the car sped away or did you just keep on playing with your new christmas present.? (the holes your mom cut in your pockets.) What's with the Elder bashing anyway? And homophobic too I see. I guess abandonment will bring those issues and issues like them to the top then won't they. Do you really consider all 68 year old men and women to be suffering from dementia or alzheimers? You astound me quite honestly. Tell me again why it is you aren't serving at your presidents pleasure? You can sign up any number of places still. I hear they are having a recruitment drive. Oh I'm sorry, that pesky test. ASVAB Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery Test is the big words for that. You can pick up the study guide at most Libraries. Oh, sorry ummm big steps, tables, cahirs lots of books that place. You can go there, study and in a few years maybe you to can be all you can be. Sorry for that sheet comment too. I never meant to imply your mom used sheets. So have you ever tried finding them? Good luck with all that, get back to me and let me know when you are going so maybe they'll let my kid come home.

Dear justwondering
by Janus Christ Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 at 3:13 AM

Opinions and facts are not "propaganda". For a long time, Indymedia has had such a profound Far Left bias and virulent anti-right, anti-mainstream, and even anti-moderate backround. If you don't like how groups like Fox News, The Trib, etc. are poisoning media by being slanted to one end of the political spectrum, don't think you can balance that out by slanting the other way; two wrongs don't make a right.

moderation of comments (to justwondering)
by Daniel P Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 at 2:26 PM
dannyp@indypgh.org

Comments aren't really a priority for many people on the editorial collective- and the possiblity of technical solutions to limit or eliminate comments altogether has been discussed at meetings.

Honestly, I think most of the trolls in comments are best ignored. The value of the IMC, in my opinion, is in the news stories: not the comments. If you'd like to get involved with the editoral collective, come to a general IMC meeting. There should be one coming up in September.

Spoken like a true..
by editor Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 at 6:56 PM

Yes, always IGNORE the comments of those with different opinions. What the hell could you learn from that.

Actually, I think the comments of the "trolls" are some of the most important information here.

hey, editor
by unbelieveable Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 9:05 AM

what can I take from this that is somehow educational?

"I would have set the dog upon her too just because it would probably be the only way to get her to shut up."

If this is a comment that is to not be ignored, I don't know what is. For you to suggest otherwise is just blatant agitation.

Trolling and discussing are two different concepts
by just another filthy rebel Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 9:01 PM
distortedcollective@hotmail.com

Considering that some of the conservatives on this forumn are here to debate - that is, to intelligently discuss ideas and concepts with another of an opposing or otherwise different viewpoint - and some are here to troll *coughgrampacough* There does need to be some distinction made between the two.
Furthermore, in light of some of the comments those right-wingers who've graced us with their presence have made, as well as some of us over-eager radicals, we should all proabably keep in mind that, if ANYONE on EITHER SIDE is going to take ANYTHING away from a debate, than we should maybe, just maybe, TRY TO KEEP THE FUCKING THING CIVIL!!!

...just a thought...

" I think the comments of the 'trolls'"
by shame on you Thursday, Sep. 01, 2005 at 9:29 AM

You are aiding and abetting the enemies of peace and justice by providing them a soapbox. That makes you as guilty as they are.

I am not aiding the enemy!
by Just another filthy rebel Saturday, Sep. 17, 2005 at 3:00 PM
distortedcollective@hotmail.com

look, I'm an anarchist - that means I,among other things, am an advocate in pure, consensus-based democracy, and one of the tenants of this is open debate. Just because I believe that this country is an oppressive plutocracy and that most of its people are brainwashed drones doesn't mean I get to ban all opinions or mindsets I don't agree with. Basically, if we want the few right-wingers who come on this sight with open minds to actually LISTEN to us,then we've gotta do the same.
I know how enraging this issue is. I know that it tears us up inside to here people justify the brutal repression of radicals and activists by saying that "if we didn't get a permit - we earned it!" I mean, WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!! People are so afraid to challenge the beliefs that are s deeply embedded in their minds that they would rather blame the victims. It reminds me of huxley's "Brave New World," where something merely has to be repeated thousands of times to become undeniable fact in the minds of the listeners. In this case that "undeniable fact" happens to be that the police are there to help everyone, and so, when presented with the idea that the police will, if given the opportunity, commit acts of wonton criminal assualt and battery, they dismiss it out of hand as the "ravings of a mad man." If shown nigh-on incontravertable proof that such crimes DID occur, then they'll respond by saying that, "Well the [victim] must have provoked the police." Then they'll jump on any infraction, NO MATTER HOW MINOR, as proof that these "Hippies on welfare" earned it.
Still, it saddens me to see how many people forget that FREEDOM ISN'T WON, IT'S INNATE. It's not something that we must purchase with blood or money, but something we are granted at birth. We can always speak free, though we may be beaten for it, and it is the will of those who VALUE ORDER OVER FREEDOM that promote silence and rigid adherence to the laws that are made, enacted, and executed on the orders of those in power.
I guess the point I'm trying to get at (not that anyone's going to respond to this post anyway) is that the attitudes of the republicans and democrats on this server are infuriating, but, that there are a few that can be reasoned with and won over.

Anarcho-wHAAAA???
by thisguy Tuesday, Nov. 08, 2005 at 9:29 AM
zvistrash@hotmail.com

An "anarchist" that believes in democracy?

Did i miss something here?

Isn't that, like, counter-productive?

The only *real* democracy
by an anarchist Tuesday, Nov. 08, 2005 at 11:11 AM

is direct, participatory democracy, i.e., anarchism. Electoral politics are a fraud and a sham. We don't elect our leaders. We elect a few of their henchmen. BFD. Politicians don't run the government. Corporations run the government. The government doesn't run the country. Corporations run the country. Corporations run the world. They are the *real* power. Governments are their fronts and their puppets.

psychobabble
by psychobabble supreme Tuesday, Nov. 08, 2005 at 2:34 PM

That made no sense whatsoever.

What if the consensus wants elections as they are now?

PROVE that your way is any better. PROVE that your perceptions, your reality, is what's best for the rest of us. I dare you. I double dog dare you.

I don't think a self absorbed child can possibly prove it, but we'll give it a chance.

Police Dog
by Police K-9 Monday, Mar. 20, 2006 at 5:54 PM

It's real simple, when you are told to disperse, LEAVE!!! Second, that dog is under control, if he wasn't the woman who CHOOSE NOT TO COMPLY WITH POLICE DIRECTION would have needed medical treatment. Too bad K-9 didn't get a street bite that day!!!

Control?
by ...and you little dog, too Monday, Mar. 20, 2006 at 6:43 PM

Actually, the little elf in blue, Lando, did not have his dog under control, which is why he's now a detective, and cashing the dog's pension checks.
Even a CCAC crimnal justice certificate can't change physics, and a wee piglet like Lando can't hold back something stronger and smarter than himself.

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