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police brutality video clips: tasers and dogs used on protestors
by rh/mt Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 9:01 PM

two video clips from Saturday August 20, 2005. anti-recruiting protest on forbes.

QuickTime movie at 4.7 mebibytes

first clip: a woman is on the ground, restrained by police officers, when a bald police officer arrived and fired a taser into her thigh.

arrested while sitting on sidewalk
by rh/mt Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 9:01 PM

QuickTime movie at 2.6 mebibytes

a man is sitting on the ground on the sidewalk, in front of the Army Recruiting center. Police approach with aggressive dogs and drag him away, arrested.

bastard
by gingol Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 2:29 AM
arruinau@tiscali.it cagliari italy

che pezzi di merda bastardi, fuck this man, is dead these police man.

video clips: tasers and dogs
by TFrancell Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 3:37 AM
tfrancell@aol.com

police brutality video clips: tasers and dogs used on protestors
by rh/mt Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 9:00 PM

Excellent work, someone needs to file assault charges against that Bald Cop with the Tasor, that was completely unnecessary, she was already in the control of the other Cop. If possible, you should try to post a wmv or mpg file, that way everyone could save a local copy. Sites that have video like this tend to get hit by Hackers who will try to delete the videos or just keep taking down the site that it's posted to.

check out the camera man
by daahund Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 3:50 AM

In the video of the young lady being tasered, notice the two cameramen in the background- one overweight and bald, the other skinny with a blue-striped shirt. These two were involved in the initial incident that sparked the melee. One was "assaulted" and claimed his camera was broken, while the other alerted the police and fingered the "attacker". Looks like all cameras were working just fine to me.

saving local copies
by Daniel P Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 8:30 AM
dannyp@indypgh.org

You can still save a local copy of these movie files- in most browsers, that's done by right-clicking (Mac: option-click(?)) on the links above and going to "Save As..."

We will be doing all that we can to make sure that the video is still accessible here.

Ohio
by Tees Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:20 AM

Tin soldiers and George Bush coming.

solidariedad
by activisata italianos/as Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:34 AM

maxima solidariedad a los activistas americanos
desde lotro lado del mundo nos otros resistimos como ustedes
adelante adelante para un mundo mejor

Dirty hippy deserved it!!
by Kill the Arabs Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:58 AM

That dirty, drugged up hippy bitch deserved the taser. I laughed my ass off. Fuck you, you goddamn anti-American pieces of shit! Just a matter of time before we purge the country of your traitorous asses.

welcome Soldier!
by BushNoMore Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 10:08 AM
adkek1212123@yahoo.com

Wow, you must already either have those recruitment papers in hand, or are already in Iraq. OR perhaps you are just from Fox news.

Let us know so we can talk about how brave you are for your words!

Troll alert
by just greg Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 11:29 AM
just_greg@riseup.net

"Please don't feed the trolls."
Just wanna say that many of us in Ohio are in solidarity with folx in Pittsburg and from wherever ur coming from (NY/NJ etc.), Thanks for your solid showing at such an important event, lets get some discussion going on why anti-recruiting is pivotal to ending the war now, and why discussion is needed to expose the "poverty draft". As a veteran I understand intimately the tactics and techniques recruiters use to net the poorest youth, I certainly fell for the game.

intense
by Adrien Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 12:04 PM
systemcollapse@gmail.com

i was in pittsburgh for about a month and had to come back to florida a few days before this protest. i want to say good job to everyone. that was a great accomplishment. im sure the cops looked like nice guys to people passing by on the street. those fat fucking idiots are scum.

Solidarity
by Matt (LICMRC) Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 12:22 PM
standup@wusb.fm

I just woke up this morning to an email with a link for these video clips. The Long Island Counter Military Recruiting Committee is 100% in solidarity with the fellow counter recruiters who marched yesterday, and the 3 counter recruiters who were brutalized by pigs!

I have a radio show "Get Up Stand Up" Sunday nights from 8:30-10PM that you can web stream at http://wusb.fm/website/ . I will definetly play the audio over the airwaves and give a report on the situation. If anyone has anymore information please email me, and go to your local college radio stations.

Peace, Matt

Somethin's happenin' now
by Take back our government Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 1:35 PM

Has the markings of a pre-planned provocation via Fox News, using an independent cameraman and with someone(s) at the police department knowing about it beforehand.
1) Tries to show the protestors as violent and aggressive. 2) Scares others from attending demonstrations.

Hope people who were arrested and their lawyers can get to the bottom of it. Fortunately there were many witnesses, photos and film.

This is post-Cindy Sheehan vigils. The vessel of national silence and consent is cracking, and force will be used in attempts to keep it from breaking and revealing the lies and hypocrisy to a degree that even the most pigheaded right-wingers won't be able to deny them, at least in public.

The American public is waking up to what the vast majority of the rest of the world public sees clearly. We have lost our government to an oil-profit crazed junta willing to destroy our lives and any obstacles in its path without any scruples whatsoever.

BS
by LJS Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 4:25 PM
hardtalk@cox.net

The right to assemble does not include the right to cause a public disturbance. Blocking traffic and being a general pain in the ass is going to get you arrested. The problem with you people is that you think this is the 60's, it isn't.
If you continue to spread your leftist bullshit you can expect to get your heads busted.

How can we provide support?
by Pier 57 survivor Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 4:28 PM

Has the NLG been contacted? Also the people's law collective should be consulted.

Also there is a movement to get tasers banned

http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/05/1736763.php

http://web.amnesty.org/wire/July2005/Tasers

question
by Mork from Ork Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 6:07 PM

BS, Is your anger a result of your being so darned stupid and unlearned, or is it the other way around?

Why hide?
by speak the truth and it shall set you free Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 6:16 PM

I have to ask... If you believe so strongly in what you are trying to say then why is it that you feel the need to hide behind a mask? Why must you cover your identity, your face, who you are? You want to express your opinion and voice - which I think everyone is entitled to do. Freedom of speech is something that this country was founded on. I ask, why is it that you feel so strongly in your opinion that you do not reveal your face? What is it that you fear, why do you hide? If you really believe in something then stand up and say it proudly! I would have much more respect for someone who would step up in front of the people and spoke the thoughts inside, than those who act like cowards and hide behind a mask.

How can you say you are trying to protest peacefully walking down the street wearing masks and destroying the property of others. I was there, I saw the crowd and what people were doing. I look at the stories on this site and I see the way the words are twisted. Reality doesn't account for much in some people's eyes, does it?

anybody know of any "defeats" for tazers?
by eff tha poe lease Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 6:16 PM

perhaps something to turn the tables? Water? There's got to be a way to break the circuit without taking the brunt of the voltage.

it definitely looks like wearing something that the probes can't penetrate would be a good idea. would that have to be very thick?

WTF!
by NooWuh! Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 7:22 PM

Solidarity ya'll! these clips are outrageous!
Freedom?, ha!
Imperialism sux, its a crime.
To more organizing!

Nice work, police. Amen.
by Colby Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 8:04 PM
PyroFroggy@gmail.com

Yeah, the police are doing their jobs. If you look in the video, those 'tards were just disturbing the peace and blocking traffic in the street. Trying to block a recruitment office is just retarded.

The chick that got tasered was just giving them a hard time, as you can see in the couple of seconds they probably should have edited out of this to make good propaganda. She was kicking and flopping around and resisting arrest. Maybe if she'd followed orders and/or toned down the protest, she'd feel less like a human lightning rod.

These people need to get a job and get rid of their authority problem and emo complexes.

defeat tazer
by vincent / blast furnace radio Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 8:09 PM

the only way to beat a tazer is to have a flak jacket / bulletproof vest. and of course that doesn't account for the other exposed parts of the body: head, legs etc.

Mein Gott! You're right
by annodomini Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:01 PM

It's obvious those big, fat police officers HAD to taser that young woman while she was on the ground, flat on her back, subdued; otherwise how could the police have controlled that small, skinny, little woman. I'm sure those two big, fat officers would have been no match for that little woman. Serves her right! How dare she exercise her constitutionally-protected right to protest! Bring back the police state! At least our streets would be quiet.

My offer of alliance with POG
by Christopher Allen Ashley Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:16 PM
januschrist@gmail.com

I'll pledge my support to POG if a lawsuit is filed against the police for excessive force. I've have differences with POG in the past but I'm willing to forget all that and pledge full alliance on the condition that this fight is taken before a judge. Win or lose, I don't care. It's about time we fought the system on its own turf.

Arrested on the Street
by chii Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:36 PM

It looks like the police couldn't make an arrest till they had him off the sidewalk and in the street. Every one of these peaceful dissenters deserve many thanks. They risk injury in the name of protecting the Constitution of the United Stated of American from its domestic threat, the shredding machines in our government and the political shredding machines in DC.

The Pigs Are Baaaack!
by Sam Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:54 PM
yada@yahoo.com

So, the goons and pigs are back. I haven't seen this kind of police brutality against peaceful demonstrators since the Vietnam War protests.

This is just gonna send more people into the streets.

Remember the Constitution?
by sam Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 10:04 PM
yada@oil.com

You fascist are all alike. Storm Troopers and Brownshirts wielding electric truncheons to remove people whose only crime is observing the right to peaceful assembly under Constitutional rights.

But then again you fascists don't know don't know how to reaad anyway.



He aimed near her genitals
by marco Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 11:01 PM

He must've been aiming for her genitals.
Sadistic bastard.
Get him fired.
Fined.
Make him pay you monthly for the rest of his life along
with a written apology every month.
Demand a civilian review board for the rest of YOUR life.
We need them desperately.
Without them, we're in grave danger.
We need a master list public domain open source of
every cop who's been fired for violence. Maybe make it parallel to child abuse felons. When one's about to come into your town, everyone's alerted.
Sorry if I sound angry. Do I? This video hurt my feelings.
Brought back way too many memories from DC for me.

Propaganda
by Lie Detector Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 11:08 PM

Funny how you cut the clip so it starts right when the officer fires the taser, you cannot tell what the woman was doing before it was fired. But then again people like you (Liberals) have a long history of making up and modifing facts.


Also the Consistution gives you the right to Peacefully Assemble. See that is the problem you morons can't keep your baseless protests peaceful. You know you don't have fact to support your side so you work for the shock factor but becomeing violent then blaming the cops when they do thier job and try to maintain order.

very funny
by iggy Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 1:27 AM

LOL! your remarks are so odious and backward you have to be a joke....

p.s.
by iggy Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 1:30 AM

sorry, comment was directed toward "kill the arabs" and the other fascist righties...

Cowardly pig!
by Brett Keogh Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:48 AM

The woman was obviously down and no threat to police or anyone. Not that she'd likely been a threat at any point as protesters exercised their lawful right to assemble. I still want to believe that the majority of police are decent and protective people. But, most certainly, there's a large number who are little more than thugs hiding behind a badge that gives them license to bully. Bald Captain Tazer depicted in this video is a poster boy for such a sanctioned thug. He's also an embarassment and shame for the city and state he supposedly works to protect.

Use knife protection Kevlar
by don Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:02 AM

its a real thin tightly woven Kevlar cloth that is used by prison guards to keep knifes and needles from going through their vests.

The Gestapo State
by DaffyD Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:10 AM

signs of the breakdown of society:

1. the free press is muzzled.
2. the "loyal" opposition cedes all power to the police state.
3. lawful protest is outlawed as the gestapo police batter, taser, and arrest all who exercise the rights granted under the constitution.
4. free speech is muzzled.
5. freedom of assembly revoked.
6. criticism of government is treasonous, the penalty is deportation to the gulag.

the tazered woman is an enemy of the state. the video warns those like cindy sheehan who would follow in her path.

Dogs Of War
by DaffyD Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:19 AM

The armed puppets of the police exhault over the power to control lives, to flex their muscles and aim their weapons at the throngs who greatly outnumber the puppets. Arresting a slim defenseless man who represents not bodily harm but an idea of peaceful protest which the more deadly of the two. Ideas are the viruses by which freedom is spread.

Freedom is what they fear for a free society revokes the power from the puppets and judges them evil, emasculating them to the eunuchs hiding behind the badge, taser, billyclub, and gun.

We are waking from our slumber but my fear is that we have slept too long.

A note on tasers
by daahund Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:32 AM

Don't forget that the probe darts don't actually have to come into contact with your skin for the weapon to be effective. The device will create a potential and 'jump the gap' as long as your clothing is less than 2" thick. Also, according to the manufacturer, the M-18 Advanced Taser (which it looks like Pittsburgh police use) delivers an initial shock lasting 5-8 seconds. Additional shocks can be sent by pulling the trigger again. In the video, I counted at least 13 seconds of electricity. That means the asshole fired 2-3 cycles into that poor girl.

Tuff cops
by Urban Guerrilla Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 10:19 AM

That girl was so big and strong, I can see why the fat cop HAD to taser her. His safety was in jeopardy! Man, what a sorry bunch of meatheads if they can't get one scrawny KID under control.

Thank You Dissenters
by Chii Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:05 AM

Notice how the fake peace-keepers don't bother the camera men. The fake peace-keepers usually are yelling, "turn off the camera".

Stay cool, calm, and level headed, Peaceful Dissenters. The bastards are hoping for justification for their use of violence against the Protecters of the United States of America's Constitution, The Peaceful Dissenters, You, The Protesters, The Activists.

It looks like the police couldn't make an arrest till they had him off the sidewalk and in the street. It is clear, that the taser was aimed at her genitals. It good that the fake peace-keeper has lousy aim.

Every one of these peaceful dissenters deserve many thanks from every American, even the bush supporter, the sheeple. They risk injury and fatality in the name of protecting the Constitution of the United Stated of America from its domestic threat, the shredding machines in our government and the political shredding machines in DC.

Chii

Counter recruitment rally
by Docibbe Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:15 AM

How can the Pittsburgh Police Chief support the actions of his men in this situation? This is nothing less than police gone mad!

Get a LIFE!
by Pittsburgh Citizen Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:59 AM

You people truly amaze me and every other law abiding citizen who looks at you and laughs. Freedom of assembly and peaceful protest is one thing. But what has become obvious is that your peaceful protests has been tainted by morons, mostly kids with a poor sense of judgement, who cast a negative shadow on the whole process!

If I were apart of your organization(s), I wouldn't condemn the police who are doing a tough job that few want any part of. I would condemn the mask wearing, trouble makers who could care less about the issues and show up only to ruin peaceful protests just because they can.

Show the world you're a legitamate organization. Failure will only solidify people's belief that you're just a media hungry entity with no real purpose other than to get on camera and you are not to be taken seriously.

legitimate
by nerf Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 1:25 PM

" Show the world you're a legitamate organization. "

well, someone's missing the point...

"legitimate organization." like... the government? the phone company? yes, people love legitimate organizations. they clamor for more.

great video!!!!!!!!!11
by protesterssuck.com Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:31 PM

I saw the video on the news Saturday night. I laughed and laughed.............
It was the best damn video I've ever seen!!!!! I taped it and watch it several times an hour. Watching that girl lying on the ground, screaming and squirming, just warms my heart! She got what she deserved. The only thing that would make the video better is if the cop was using a real gun instead of a taser!!!!

Where are the moderators
by Please clear the crap Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:04 PM

Some of the above comments should be cleared.

In answer to "speak the truth and it shall set you free" question

The masks are to protect people from any additional police repression. Those who engage in direct action know the importance of this.

Is there protective wear for tasers
by Shocking and Aweful Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:11 PM

Is there protective wear against tasers?
Is there any way to ground out a taser once they are fired?
How should medics care for a taser victim?

Important work
by Greg K Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:15 PM

The taser video, as well as many of the comments it has provoked on this page, are important, shocking, and incredibly sad records of the widespread masochism that infects our society.

free speech for everyone?
by first amendment phonies Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:46 PM

in response to "where are the moderators?"

you want the moderators to clear the "crap"? so much for free speech. your "crap" is TRUTH to the law abiding pittsburghers(who make up 99% of the population). you fringe element phonies are the ones spewing the "crap"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where are the moderators
by Please clear the crap Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:58 PM

Some of the above comments should be cleared.

In answer to "speak the truth and it shall set you free" question

The masks are to protect people from any additional police repression. Those who engage in direct action know the importance of this.

Riot Control Trained Soldiers Perspective
by aeneas_rising Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 4:09 PM

You are right to be critical of this video, but for the wrong part.

The tasing was legitimate. At the beginning of the video (you have to watch the first 1/2 second a few times) the girl slaps away the hand of the cop who is trying to turn her over. This is resisting arrest and (very minor) battary committed against a peace officer.

She isn't restrained, by the way.

She also repeatedly ignores verbal commands to turn over onto her stomach before she is tased.

Where I believe the outrage you are feeling comes from is from a misunderstanding of the ROE/ROF (rules of engagement or force) generally assumed for a taser. It is NOT a replacement for a firearm. It is a non-lethal stage of force that is generally used in place of an officer engaging with his hands or with a nightstick.

Would it have been appropriate for the officer, after giving a verbal command for her to turn over, to have physically forced her to do so by wrestling her over? Absolutely. It is therefore quite reasonable for him to use a taser to accomplish the same thing (reducing the risk to himself by doing so.)

Where the officer did step outside of acceptable behaviour, however, was in lifting the girl by her arms (which were handcuffed behind her) at the end of the video. While a subtle miscue, doing this could have pulled her arms out of socket or caused any number of other injuries. Some places this is consitered misconduct, in others it is simply bad form. Either way the officer could have handled it better.

-Christopher of Aeneadas
Per Ardua ad astra

Where is the problem?
by aeneas_rising Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 4:21 PM

After watching this, I don't see the legal/ethical/moral issue here even if you do take the side of the protester.

The cop does menace him more than was needed with the dog, though it was within the bounds of reasonable force (the dog isn't allowed to attack him and there is resistance elsewhere in the crowd.)

The officer who arrests him does so in a painless and dignified manner. He was arrested for (I assume) trespassing, which he was doing by being on private property (Army Recruiting Offices are rented by the government from private owners usually) after being (presumably) asked to leave.

Note also that the Army personnel inside, abiding by the standard of Possee Noncommunicadus (sp?), are not intervening in a civillian police affair even when it occurs on their doorstep.

Finally, to be fair (after lauding everyone elses behaviour), the protester himself acts quite according to established standards and neither resists nor actively cooperates with the arresting officer.

All around this is a model incident for both police and protesters. Bravo!

That cop is hot
by A oakland chick Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 4:30 PM

I find it hot when a cop takes a terrorist out, that was so hot, he should have kept on pumping the triger, fry the bitch, oh that thought just makes me so horny, fry that hippy, ya ya ya ya, harder.

Leave it to Pittsburghers
by Raoul McWong Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 5:34 PM
s@tt.net

The reason this repression happened is because %99.9
of Pittsburghers have shit for brains...the police too.
Pittsburghers are, hands down, the most thick-headed, pig ignorant fuckers in America. Fat and ugly and stupid!!! All you need to do is read the post before mine to see how totally RETARDED Pittsburghers are.

Indymedia has to make a choice
by Some OS /bin/login Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 5:50 PM

Indymedia -- and the "anti-Globalization" Movement as a whole -- will have to make up their minds about tying their very lives and futures to idealist ideologies which produce ludicrous situations like this: where absolute "freedom" is given to even the enemy to muck up "our" infractructure. At the click of a mouse, even.

I think by now, whether you want to admit it or not, you well-know why *structured* organizations *of necessity* come into existence in class war.

If Indymedia is to even function in future, *it has to take a clear class stance* -- and all these "commentary" by Rightwing turdballs have to be summarily removed, and carefully guarded against. And censored IS the word.
The point is to be as open and free as possible in spite of such unfortunate requirements... And so now you understand _why_ the necessity for a future "dictatorship of the proletariat". Munging up Indymedia is child's-play compared to what they can do, and are certainly planning.

To the Revolution, comrades!




BALD police officer?
by Bald Democrat Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 6:23 PM

Why does the description of the taser video say a "bald" police officer tasered the woman? The video clearly shows that the officer with the taser is bald. There are no long-haired officers with tasers around him that would require the description to explicitly state that he is BALD. Are you anti-bald? Do you think being bald funny and fair game for ridicule? I happen to be bald and find this extremely offensive. Furthermore, I find that bald remark highly hypocritical coming from a group who professes to be progressive. You all disgust me. Hypocrits!

346346
by 346346 Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 6:52 PM

Because it was very difficult to tell the cops apart and that cop was one of the few without his hat on and he happened to be bald. It wasn't a bad thing anymore than saying the tall cop.

To clear a couple things up.
by Officer Brasile. Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 7:06 PM

"The cop does menace him more than was needed with the dog, though it was within the bounds of reasonable force (the dog isn't allowed to attack him and there is resistance elsewhere in the crowd.)"

He does menance too much. The thing is he let the dog bite the older women, which is completely unprofessional and should be a mark on his internal file.

"The officer who arrests him does so in a painless and dignified manner. He was arrested for (I assume) trespassing, which he was doing by being on private property (Army Recruiting Offices are rented by the government from private owners usually) after being (presumably) asked to leave."

He was arrested on the sidwealk, did you even watch that video? And he wasn't asked to leave he was ordered to disperse, which he didn't.

"Note also that the Army personnel inside, abiding by the standard of Possee Noncommunicadus (sp?), are not intervening in a civillian police affair even when it occurs on their doorstep."

There were no army personal inside. No one entered that building before the protesters arrived.

Re: Please clear the crap
by MBR-200 Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 7:29 PM

You're talking to a wall. Two articles that may interest you:

"Make Media, Make Trouble: What's Wrong (and Right) with IndyMedia" by Jennifer Whitney at http://www.lipmagazine.org/

"The Sad Decline of IndyMedia": http://slash.autonomedia.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/09/1843207

VERY COURAGES OF THEM THOSE KIDS
by pi Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 9:01 PM

I often wonder if some people, such as you, have even a millionth of their couragious patriotism. Oh! I forget, you haven't even bothered to enroll in the military.

hey pittsburg!
by kurtkabang Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:09 PM

good job.

now prepare your lawsuits and get ready for a million dollar windfall from the city in 2-4 years, like what happened when the cops in portland got out of control (portland.indymedia.org)


keep suing.

Support from Seattle
by Jahn Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:25 PM
jahn_hazardfactory@yahoo.com

I'm almost fucking speechless.

Hazardfactory, political art activists in Seattle, send our love and admiration. Keep up the fight. Maybe one day the police will remember that they have a job because we let them have a job.

Tazer Proof
by Mokojin Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:36 PM
Spardaxxx@hotmail.com 9496666666 1234 Donno St

There are several ways to avoid the shock of the tazers, but I would recommend leather. It's cheaper than flak jackets and you can get strips of leather or leather pads to put on your legs. Each officer is trained in the use of this weapon and there are certain zones which are target zones for the zapper.

Another way to counter the zapper, and I haven't tested this myself, would be to wear a leather undervest with metal gilding in it, the metal gilding would be connected (using sodder or just plain uncoated wiring) and connect it in little circles(or ovals). Now when they zap you, your leather vest should protect you from the zapper and the wiring should cause the tazer to feedback, possibly giving the officer a jolt.

You can understand why I haven't been able to test this though. LoL. Ps: Not responsible for ass-kicking from officer after you zap him *lol*

I agree, baldness *is* offensive
by anti-troll Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 12:25 AM

we should respect the bald democrat troll's wishes and eliminate baldness in all its forms. until that time, let us ban baldness and baldees from society as the irritating scourge that they are!

Tasering Legitimate?
by hah Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 12:40 AM

"Would it have been appropriate...to have physically forced her to do so by wrestling her over? Absolutely. It is therefore quite reasonable for him to use a taser to accomplish the same thing (reducing the risk to himself by doing so.)"

Electrocution is punishment. There is no call for punishment in this situation, factoring in her (very minor) resistance. The officers could very easily have restrained her, attached cuffs, and been on their way.

Instead, they resort to physical torture, electrocuting the protestor (it's very very painful, have you ever been electrocuted?) until the protester is "pacified." Is this how you want to be treated, if you ever talk back or offer resistance to an officer? Keep supporting tasering, and the taser will become accepted in society - one day it may replace the billyclub as the tool for physically dealing with the public.

You all are Terrorists
by A democrate Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 1:51 AM

You all are terrorists, and should be treated as enemy combatants and terrorists, and should be executed in the most painful way posable.

Solidarity from St. Petersburg
by St. Pete for Peace and Food Not Bombs Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 4:38 AM

SOLIDARITY STATEMENT TO THE PITTSBURGH ORGANIZING GROUP
August 22, 2005

St. Pete for Peace and St. Pete Food Not Bombs stand
in solidarity with the Pittsburgh Organizing Group in
support of members and participants in the Saturday,
August 20 action against the Oakland Military
Recruiting Station.

We condemn the actions of the Pittsburgh Police
Department as yet another example of the use of brute
force and domestic torture to counter non-violent acts
of dissent. It is inconceivable to us that a 17 year
old girl and a 68 year old grandmother, (among others
injured in the police-induced riot), could be
considered such a threat to the State that it feels
justified in physically savaging them. And we have to
wonder what kind of police force would tolerate such
obvious violent and deviant behavior on the part of
its employees.

We call for immediate dismissal of the officers who
used Tasers, dogs and chemical weapons against those
present at the demonstration. A reprimand is not
sufficient…it is clear that these officers will not
benefit from a “time out” suspension or an official
scolding. If they are unable to see that placing an
injured grandmother in a vehicle with no
air-conditioning for 45 minutes is wrong, then no
amount of corrective action will ensure that a repeat
of August 20 will not occur. And while we are certain
that the police department will issue a statement (if
they have not done so already) to attempt to justify
these actions, it is clearly an indefensible position.
The use of Tasers and dogs to attack unarmed civilians
is the hallmark of a fascist dictatorship, not a
healthy democracy. Were intimidation tactics alone
used to stifle dissent, this would have been bad
enough, however the tactics of the Pittsburgh Police
Department went far beyond mere intimidation - opting,
instead, for assault.

We also call for the dismissal of charges against all
arrested as a result of the August 20 demonstration
and an immediate discontinuance of the use of Tasers
and dogs, both at protest events and in other non
life-threatening situations.

We congratulate the Pittsburgh Organizing Group and
participants in the August 20 action for their
courage, their strength and their commitment to peace
and offer our mutual aid and support for their group
as they work to rid their city of state-sponsored
violence and oppression.

In solidarity,
St. Pete for Peace
St. Pete Food Not Bombs
http://www.stpeteforpeace.org
http://www.stpetefnb.org/

Why don't you ...
by Joseph Showalter Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:27 PM
dreyfus2004@yaoo.com

I would like to see the entire video leading up to the tasing and the arrest of the protester who was sitting in front of the recruiting station. If these people were complying with the requests of police officers and the actions of the officers were unprovoked then there is nothing to hide. If these people were not complying and you do not show the whole tape then you are at fault for misleading at best and out and out lying at worst.
I will check back in 24 hrs. If my request has not been met then I will know the truth.

HELLO MOONBATS!!
by me Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:57 PM
hillaryisevil@hell.com 555-1212 1234 Any St. USA

When your set goal is "to shut down the Recruiting center" I really don't feel sorry for any of you.

And when you don't follow the directions of the police you get 50K volts of happy juice!

BTW what they did IS against the law.

I'm crossing my fingers they get the full 20 years......

U.S. Code : Title 18 : Section 2388

Whoever, when the United States is at war, willfully causes or attempts to cause insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or willfully obstructs the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, to the injury of the service or the United States, or attempts to do so -

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

re: Legitimate Organization
by Pittsburgh Citizen Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 3:19 PM

You say you're not a legitimate organization. I and all the other law abiding citizens would have to agree.

Mr. Webster tells us the following about the word "legitimate"

"1.Being in compliance with the law; lawful."
Well, it's obvious where you stand on this. Your so called organization was not in compliance with the law, and admitting you're not legitimate only adds to the argument that you serve no purpose other than to be unlawful and couldn't care less about real issues.

"2.Being in accordance with established or accepted patterns and standards."
You're right. Nothing accepted or established here.

"3.Based on logical reasoning."
Not unless it's logical to consistantly turn peaceful demonstrations into riots and then cry foul when laws are enforced by the men and women doing their jobs.

"4.Authentic; genuine."
Right again! The only thing genuine is your disregard for any issue other than your self serving agendas.

Go back to your schools, get your educations and make a REAL difference in the world. And for those of you who are adults, you're misleading these kids. Get on with your lives and make a difference in ways that are effective.

Believe me when I tell you; people are laughing at all of you. You're nothing more than a joke.

Re:re legitamate oranization
by Christopher Allen Ashley Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 3:54 PM
januschrist@gmail.com

I agree completely!!

It's obvious that POG is not going to be filing any lawsuits against the police so you all can eat my taint. You are a weak and utterly ineffective group of retards that have no interest in doing anything except dressing like terrorists (list of groups that wear masks at public meetings: KKK, Neo-Nazis, Terrorist Islamic groups, The Black Bloc) and causing petty vandalism. You cry like little bitches when you are held overnight for sissy charges like disorderly conduct, simple assault, and petty vandalism; charges that you have no one to blame for but yourselves.

You KNOW FULL WELL that Pittsbugh Police are agressive sons-of-bitches yet you provoke them and then cry when they kick the shit out of you. That's like poking a hornets' nest with a stick and then crying when you get stung a hundred times.

My uncle was blown to pieces in 'Nam. My late father-in-law was drafted, exposed to Agent Orange, and couldn't watch Forrest Gump because it gave him flashbacks. If anyone wants to see military recruiting slow to a trickle in this country, it's me. Flyers and lawful peaceful protest are enough to cause a headache for military recruiters, stop disrespecting everyone around you by being so stupid.

Re: Taser Protection
by Lima Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 4:05 PM

[quote]
There are several ways to avoid the shock of the tazers, but I would recommend leather. It's cheaper than flak jackets and you can get strips of leather or leather pads to put on your legs. Each officer is trained in the use of this weapon and there are certain zones which are target zones for the zapper.

Another way to counter the zapper, and I haven't tested this myself, would be to wear a leather undervest with metal gilding in it, the metal gilding would be connected (using sodder or just plain uncoated wiring) and connect it in little circles(or ovals). Now when they zap you, your leather vest should protect you from the zapper and the wiring should cause the tazer to feedback, possibly giving the officer a jolt.

You can understand why I haven't been able to test this though. LoL. Ps: Not responsible for ass-kicking from officer after you zap him *lol* [/quote]

Mokojin,
I would highly advise people not follow your suggestions. The first suggestion assumes that the leather would prevent the probes from contacting skin would prevent someone from being tased. This is wrong for two reasons: the first - taser charges can jump through clothing and still complete a circut. Even when wearing kevlar or "flak" materials. The second reason is that there are options for firers to work around heavy clothing. Also, the firer does not have to target just the legs to immoblize the target.
The second suggestion is also not advisible - you could be directing a current over a large area of your body, not just in the two prongs. This could result in severe injuries to yourself. The taser is well insulated. No current will reach the officer. Frankly it will not work and is dangerous.

There is also no point in trying to "ground" yourself. There is no way to try and avoid being tased ie falling in a certain way, fighting back, etc- it is just asking for more trouble. If a taser doesn't work the first time, other firers will be on scene. And you will get tased more than once.

There are no known ways to protect against a taser - suggestions or ideas on how to prevent being tased gives one only a false sense of security. If you see officers with tasers and you are not cooperative, prepare to be tased. The firer has to protect himself and those around him first and foremost. It is painful yes, but if it prevents someone getting injured while making an arrest, it is acceptable. In terms of safety, despite all the hooplah from Amnesty, it is safer that a lot of other options out there. Trust me, it beats being pepper sprayed and beaten.

First aid: I would recommend for liablity's sake to see a EMT, especially if the impact was on the head or groin. DO NOT touch wires is still attached to taser. TREAT PROBES AS BIOHAZARD SHARPS. If you have observed anyone having been tased, keep an eye on them - any signs of shortness of breath, pain in the chest and neck and arms and discoloration of the skin should be grounds to seek immediate medical attention (this is very, very rare in post taser events - usually has been linked to drug use).

re: HELLO MOONBATS!!
by moonbat Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 4:07 PM

Hello harryisevil,

I didn't realize that the U.S. was legally at war. I mean, it's not like the U.S. followed its own laws and declared war. IANAL, but that looks like it violates a requrement of U.S. Code : Title 18 : Section 2388.

Come to think of it, Pittsburgh Citizen and his trusty policy reference, a dictionary, has a point - since the U.S. government is not "in compliance with the law," the U.S. government is not a legitimate organization.


Hi moonbat
by Pittsburgh Citizen Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 5:44 PM

You have a demented sense of history and government, moonbat. The government is for the people, by the people. Laws are made BY the government, therefore BY the people.

We have laws to protect citizens against many things, including radicals who respect nothing including the laws we the people have put into place through our elected representatives.

So, to say our government is not a legitimate organization is not only a silly statement, it shows the true intent of this "organization". If it's ok to break our laws, cause riotous situations and call it a "protest", then I suppose you're saying it's also acceptable to rob a bank and call it a withdraw.

Taser Video Should Be Widely Shown
by Ralph Dratman Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 7:14 PM
rd@newsfare.com

The taser video should be widely viewed. Like the Kent State killings in 1971, the public needs to know what is going on in this country.

I suggest adding in additional video, if available, to show more of the context. Was the protest non-violent? Were the police or anyone else threatened in any way by the woman being held down on the ground?

Some stills of the policeman and the demonstrator might also be helpful. His face should be visible.

Let the right-wingers comment on about how great it is to taser a helpless woman on the ground, and what a great threat she was.

re: How to defeat tazers (ferchrissakes)
by Satan Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 7:45 PM

Dear JAnusChrist,

Car and motorcycle batteries have only twelve volts - perhaps you're the one so stupid that you should be sterilised, as you put it.

In reponse to "me"
by The war is illegal Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 10:42 PM

The US Code does not over rule the US Constitution. The US constitution, gives congress the power to declare war, not the president. The congress never voted to declare war on Iraq. The president has acted without congressional declaration of war. Under the law technically there is no war, so U.S. Code : Title 18 : Section 2388 does not apply.

But if you want to cite the US Code.

Know that the war is illegal under international law. These are laws which the US is signature to and bound by. This makes the war is a crime and all those in the armed forces war criminals by definition.

So check out the part in the US Army Code about it being the duty of those enlisted in the military not to engage in war crimes and crimes against humanity. The troops are not to obey unlawful orders. They can not use the defense of “we were just following orders” when they commit war crimes. The commander in chief has issued unlawful orders in the invasion and occupation on Iraq. That makes BuSh a war criminal and so are all those under his command

People who support the war on Iraq are supporting a war crime.

Freedom
by ed Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 9:11 AM

Freedom. This is what "our boys and girls" are defending in Iraq and Afgahanistan. What lies.

The government of this country (Federal, State, and Local) are the enemies of Freedom. They want total power and control over individuals. They claim our income and, in the case of misguided volunteers, they claim our lives.

The more the unmasking of the intent of the government is exposed, hopefully more people will see the horrible monster that they have allowed to exist and grow.

"Government is force" nothing more. And we the sheeple give up our children to government schools to have thier brains washed, and to inculcate them to believe that government is our protector and friend.

Tell that to George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, et al. They saw the monster for what it is, and tried to devise a form of government that would be limited to protecting property rights. They failed.

Cindy Sheehan is on the correct track - withhold paying income tax to de-legitimize the monster.

It is not about "republicans vs democrats" or " liberals vs conservatives". The true dichotomy is between Statists and Individualists.

Unfortunately, the Statists have the big guns.

The REAL Dangers of Tasers
by Tim S Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 11:36 AM

N.M. Officers Suing Taser Firm

The Associated Press
PHOENIX— Police officers in New Mexico and four other states have filed lawsuits against Arizona-based Taser International Inc., claiming they were seriously injured after being shocked with the electronic stun gun during training classes.
All of the lawsuits have been filed in the past two weeks, including four in Maricopa County Superior Court here on behalf of officers in Florida, Kansas, New Mexico and Ohio.
The officers allege they suffered "severe and permanent" injuries, including multiple spinal fractures, burns, a shoulder dislocation and soft-tissue injuries.
The lawsuits challenge Taser's principal safety claim and accuse the company of misleading law enforcement about the extent of potential injuries. They also accuse company officials of concealing reports of injuries to at least a dozen other law enforcement officers.
Taser, based in Scottsdale, has marketed the weapons to 7,000 law enforcement agencies and promoted the gun's safety.
The devices temporarily paralyze people with a 50,000-volt jolt delivered by two barbed darts that can penetrate clothing.
The American Civil Liberties Union reports more than 130 deaths in the United States related to Tasers, while Amnesty International reports more than 120 deaths in the U.S. and Canada— both figures since June 2001.
Taser International has consistently denied that its products are to blame in the deaths, arguing that none have been directly linked to Tasers.
The company also contends Tasers have saved thousands of lives— suspects who might otherwise have been fatally shot by police.
In a statement Friday, Taser vice president Steve Tuttle said the company planned to "aggressively fight" all of the lawsuits.
In their lawsuits, the officers allege they were injured in training classes between August 2003 and October 2004.
They say that Taser instructors did not reveal any medical information suggesting that the guns could cause injuries and they claim the company has ignored important research suggesting the guns could be extremely dangerous, if not fatal.

The REALl Dangers of Tasers
by Tim S Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 11:40 AM

N.M. Officers Suing Taser Firm

The Associated Press
PHOENIX— Police officers in New Mexico and four other states have filed lawsuits against Arizona-based Taser International Inc., claiming they were seriously injured after being shocked with the electronic stun gun during training classes.
All of the lawsuits have been filed in the past two weeks, including four in Maricopa County Superior Court here on behalf of officers in Florida, Kansas, New Mexico and Ohio.
The officers allege they suffered "severe and permanent" injuries, including multiple spinal fractures, burns, a shoulder dislocation and soft-tissue injuries.
The lawsuits challenge Taser's principal safety claim and accuse the company of misleading law enforcement about the extent of potential injuries. They also accuse company officials of concealing reports of injuries to at least a dozen other law enforcement officers.
Taser, based in Scottsdale, has marketed the weapons to 7,000 law enforcement agencies and promoted the gun's safety.
The devices temporarily paralyze people with a 50,000-volt jolt delivered by two barbed darts that can penetrate clothing.
The American Civil Liberties Union reports more than 130 deaths in the United States related to Tasers, while Amnesty International reports more than 120 deaths in the U.S. and Canada— both figures since June 2001.
Taser International has consistently denied that its products are to blame in the deaths, arguing that none have been directly linked to Tasers.
The company also contends Tasers have saved thousands of lives— suspects who might otherwise have been fatally shot by police.
In a statement Friday, Taser vice president Steve Tuttle said the company planned to "aggressively fight" all of the lawsuits.
In their lawsuits, the officers allege they were injured in training classes between August 2003 and October 2004.
They say that Taser instructors did not reveal any medical information suggesting that the guns could cause injuries and they claim the company has ignored important research suggesting the guns could be extremely dangerous, if not fatal.

Freedom is right
by Right of Center Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 12:26 PM
Indianapolis

'Freedom' is right-- "It is not about republicans vs democrats or liberals vs conservatives." I'm a registered (right-of-center) republican, but George W. doesn't speak for me. Cindy Sheehan speaks for me, and apparently for the majority of Americans if you look at the polls. It's bad enough that the Feds are using our tax money on a public relations campaign to fight the growing resistance to the war. I'm ready to do whatever it takes to shut down the machine.

The use of tasers is despicable!
by Deaniac5 Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 9:17 PM

The cops should've beat the dopes bloody with their mag-lights.

These Sadistic Fucks Need to Face Justice
by Don DeBar Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 5:41 AM
dondebar@yahoo.com

The police in Pittsburgh are clearly out of control - not of the fascist interests they serve, but of the people they are supposed to serve.

Pittsburgh progressive need to organize a self-defense committee. You need lawyers, videographers (hats off to these folks, BTW - sitting here in Westchester County, NY, I now know, thanks to you, what sick fucks you have running your police department, and I will share that far and wide) and other press, organizers to disseminate and explain this information to the public, and people willing to confront the police in larger and larger numbers.

real role of police
by bob allen Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 10:40 AM
rbpeters3@msn.com des moines IA

As we move into the future, more and more people will come to see the real role of the police in society is not to help little old ladies across the street, etc, but to defend the perogatives of capital and property rights. They are traitors to their class-- and as far as the commentors who support the pigs here, well, let them type away. We need to see what and who we are up against, and while peaceful demonstrations are useful, one should never think that the other side won't shoot first. These automatons will do anything to serve their masters.

for the head
by me Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 11:32 AM

Yes we will always shoot first, I hope they police are good aims, and that they aim for the head.

Taser
by Average Citizen Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 11:33 AM

It appears that the girl was kicking and struggling with Police. So, which is preferable, a Taser or a Baton? I doubt the police would've used either one if she hadn't been fighting.

Oh My What Large Faith We Have!
by Jon Crosby Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 1:15 PM

It's hard to say what a peaceful protest would be. Usually what peaceful entails is a protest that doesn’t get any media coverage what so ever. So If in fact the protesters ever intentionally get themselves arrested it is to get the attention of the people that don't really have it in their interest to report a peaceful cause until there is injury to someone. Legitimate means in moron terms that it is a valid reason, Laws do not dictate justice, Laws dictate control and the protection of property, mostly for the sake of those who make the laws. I have been part of a protest where we had a permit and several thousand people walked down the middle of Philadelphia in a peaceful manner everything was done by schedule, the police knew what it was and in plain clothes were supposed to just watch and make sure nothing illegal happened, of course several people got arrested for reasons such as wearing masks. Honestly if you feel that wearing masks is the most evil thing ever well then outlaw Halloween too because masks don't hurt anyone, tasers do dogs do so does pepper spray and honestly I have never seen a cop physically attacked before they felt the need to physically attack a protestor. Maybe its poor training or just lack of control, maybe the protestor really said something the cop didn't agree with. However if you feel that it is LEGIT to beat spray shock and intimidate with dogs if not actually get bit by them so that someone that does nothing to you moves when you yell at them, you are in need of mental assistance and empathy lessons. I realize that the basic struggle in this world is people who comply and people who don't however laws don't work for those who can’t afford lawyers.

Honestly though protests don't work. The truth is the people that are willing to come out to a protest will the next day go back to their job and wont do anything until the next one. Truly if people really believed what they protest there are much better ways to get things done, and you don’t need permits or permissions, you don't ask anyone you do what is right if you truly believe it and if it ends up being wrong then you accept the consequences, responsibility is what raises you above cops above politicians who will not admit any wrong ever. This tiptoe tactic of trying to get the media to notice is a waste of time, if this many people can come together to walk in the street then this many people can individually do a lot more maybe in small groups or whatever. It really bothers me that in this country we are so confused that we don’t follow our guts and instead weave between laws like orange cones worried about consequences. The consequences of laying down and doing nothing are far worse and look where we are now. Honestly look at Ecuador, they got sick of something and they did something about it. I don't understand why we constantly give up our rights little by little to compromise with laws and ideas that already are so far gone that nothing we can really legally do will cause any change whatsoever. Honestly if you want to protect this system you really are not awake and you obviously really don't care and do everyone a favor and admit it. Protests are equivalent to two armies going into a field standing there facing each other except in this case only one side has weapons the other is not allowed to have them. Consider who you are preaching to, the people on your side already agree with you so who are you trying to reach and is this the best way or the most legal way you know of getting nothing to really change.

Oh My
by Reagan Hates You Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 1:41 PM

I mean really how many people do you need to agree with you before you will take action? Are a thousand people that feel the war is wrong enough to create change, yes of course if they actually do something, instead of agreeing and sitting at home on the couch nodding their head maybe pounding they fist, but then sitting back down and doing nothing about it. Take is as you will, if you don't agree with cops shocking you with Tasers then don't stand in the streets where they can shock you, you getting arrested does nothing because the media will turn it and make you look like the moron, if they even mention you. Cops are people and some of them will sympathize with you but honestly the violence only goes one way and that is down, the cops get beat by the people above them and the cops beat us and that’s the chain of command. Example Cops had a lawsuit against ford because the cars Ford was making for them turned out to explode on a rear impact, instead of admitting they were wrong, ford said that they wouldn’t sell them anymore cars if they didn’t drop the lawsuit and guess what many did because those are the preferred cars and so Ford Beat the Cops and what can cops do about it, can they protest? So you choose what is more important, the chain of violence or change, at what point will the cops drop the riot gear and join you in the chants?

Think Again
by The Right Way Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 3:45 PM
none

It makes me laugh to read the string of post on this subject. It is so obvious that the small group of you (a couple dozen by all accounts) feel that you somehow represent a larger voice. You are what I like to term in a group think mentality and refuse to believe what you truley are. HYPOCRITES.

How can so called "peaceful protestors" wish harm on the police, on those that hold differing views than their own. Instead you would rather force your views on the world. I believe it is time to grow up, stop hiding behind the mask and face true reality and the role each of you played in this incident. It is called accountability and that is what us in the real world have to deal with each and every day.

Legal War
by Correct Information Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 4:07 PM

The amount of incorrect facts on here is astonishing. For the record Bill H.J.Res.114 calling for war on Iraq was approved by the house in Oct 2002 by a count of 296-133 and in the senate by 77-23. By the way Senators Reid, Clinton and Kerry all voted for it

re: Legal War
by moonbat Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 6:54 PM

Ah yes, it is a legal war, my mistake:

(1) SPECIFIC STATUTORY AUTHORIZATION- Consistent with section 8(a)(1) of the War Powers Resolution, the Congress declares that this section is intended to constitute specific statutory authorization within the meaning of section 5(b) of the War Powers Resolution.

And now, to rant a lot:

It's all fairly irrelevant, anybody with the power to write something down and enforce it or carry it out can call something "legal." Any authoritarian government, facist or otherwise, usually acts "legally" - the government writes the laws. 1940s Germany and Japan, 1980s USSR, Chile, Noriega, Marcos - all of them acted within the legal framework that they wrote.

The bigger question is more subjective, one of morality, one of perception, and reasonable judgement. It there justification to go to war, kill civilians, kill soldiers, kill our own soldiers, destroy civilian infrastructure? Maybe. In the case of Iraq, probably not.

Is it moral to speed? To park illegally? What are the risks of somebody getting hurt or killed? Tell me you obey the speed limit always.

And perception... You war hawks really amaze me. Would you buy a used car from someone who told you more than one reason why it didn't start sometimes? Where do you get your unquestioning faith in this administration? Please, put your brains back to work. News clips, cool graphics, and carefully orchestrated press information do not count as good information. This administration pays $$$ for advertising firms to plan press coverage, and apparently it works.

While I'm completely ranting, it occurred to me this morning what fucking cowards GWB and his boys are. Sure, go on vacation, do a little work, don't lose any sleep. Said by Brad Pitt of all people: "Imagine a King who fights his own battles, wouldn't tht be a sight."

Naturally, the common people don't want war ... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

- Hermann Goering

Really a different topic, but the resolution is an interesting read, justification for the war includes things like Iraq's WMD capacity and involvement in terrorism and 9/11.

more ranting
by moonbat Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 7:27 PM

So sorry for the rambling, rather off-topic.

The recruitment center is fair game, its purpose is to collect cannon fodder. Yes, millitary service can provide discipline, training, self confidence. Unfortunately, it also puts the soldier in the hands of, in the present case, an egomaniac who doesn't value your life all that much.

The center really has to almost trick recruits into signing up. Trick them into risking their lives, for what? Does the war in Iraq make us safer? Make the world safer? Keep gas prices lower? What are the benefits of this war? Revenge? Distraction? Profits?

So the center supports inadequately justified killing. The center acts immorally, so it is a target of moral outrage.

Sometimes morals are encoded in to law, sometimes not. And it matters whose morals get turned in to law, and whether or not those morals really reflect those of the population, or those of the few who make the laws, or more likely, whether or not the laws just benefit those making the laws, morals aside.

Dear Satan
by Janus Christ Ashley Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 7:36 PM

By all means, prove me wrong. I dare your stupid ass. Take a car battery and shock yourself with jumper cables.

Let me repeat myself
by Anus Christ Killing Commie scum Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 7:43 PM

LIST OF GROUPS THAT WHERE MASKS AT PUBLIC GATHERINGS:

KKK
Neo-Nazis
Terrorist Islamic groups
The Black Bloc

PS
by Tazer your own dick Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 7:46 PM

I meant to say "Wear" not "where". Im sory. I wint to a socalist pubic skool.

houston solidarity
by shdowlkr Friday, Aug. 26, 2005 at 2:56 PM

I was one of the arrestees during m18 here in houston. My heart screams out to you all. My tears will not soften the pain of their blows niether will my declaration of injustice prevent it from ever happening again. But that is why we are who we are... activists. We take an active part in our world to improve it. We are always the underdogs barely able to stand but yet we who are so few effect so much. Stay strong!

peace
shdowlkr

WIMPS
by Protest Veeran Friday, Aug. 26, 2005 at 4:40 PM

I can not Fn believe the whining from you pussies. If you are going to start a protest and take on the police, then don't cry like pussies when you get the confrontation you were looking for. In my day, this was what we wanted and what we got. And we took it to them and wore it proud when we took it on the chin. 50,000 volts? you say that like it means something. Pussy. Besides, it's the Amps, not the volts. that will kill you.

This is not the time to be mean
by Josie P Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 3:04 PM
petunia511@excite.com

What good does it do to critisize, instead, if your an old pro-why not give out some good pointers for future use.

nice!
by joran Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 9:53 PM

It's quite amusing! It may sound sick, but I actually enjoyed watching the video over and over!
Post more of those videos!!

You people disgust me.
by SGT P Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 at 11:48 PM
rhr_1000@hotmail.com Pittsburgh, PA

Ok let me ask you this. Give me ONE reason to protest the US Army. Give me one. Does the Army make its own decisions about who to fight and when? No. The Army is commanded by a civilian, namely the president. We follow orders that we are given. Period. We do what we are told. We fight where we are told. This isn't out choice. As an Iraqi Freedom veteran, I find this behavior both distasteful and troublesome. If you do not agree with the war that we are fighting that is your right as an American. The person to have an issue with is the president, not the local Army recruiter station. You god damn bastards! It is the Army and all the other members of the armed forces that gave you stinking losers the right to free speech and to assembly! We are the reason that you are speaking English and not German or Japaneese! We have sacrificed everything while you have given nothing. To quote Jack..."I would rather you just said 'thank you' and went on your way." How dare you! If you don't approve of the policies of the president then get out and vote! How many of you whiners voted in the last presidental campaign? Perhaps if more of you whiners did then your man Kerry might have won....too bad! Show some respect for those who have given all for their country, and for those who serve today.

Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Peaceably assemble does not include being a hinderance to people walking by nor does it include blocking traffic. In order to "assemble peacefully" in this municipality a permit must be obtained. You cannot plop your ass down on private property and have your little protest. There are limits as to what you can do. Those people were most likely arrested for criminal tresspass, criminal mischief, and resisting arrest. Had they LEGALLY obtained a permit to assemble none of this would have occured. But I guess protesters don't have to follow the law huh? And as far as "police brutality" goes, getting tasered by a cop is not brutality. Getting your head caved in like Rodney King is. Like it or not, if you choose to not follow a legal order from a police officer, you can be subject to non-lethal attack. These measures are designed to make the subject cooperate with the police. They are not designed to cause permenent harm like oh, say the rounds from an AK-47 shot at you. If you resist arrest, this is what you can expect. It may have been a little on the extreme. I will concede that. it is not brutality.

As far as calling the Army and the police fascists, do you even know what the definition of fascism is? The term fascism has come to mean any system of government resembling Mussolini's, that in various combinations:

1)exalts the nation and party above the individual, with the state apparatus being supreme.
2)stresses loyalty to a single leader, and submission to a single culture.
3)engages in economic totalitarianism through the creation of a Corporatist State, where the divergent economic and social interests of different races and classes are combined with the interests of the State.

So tell me, how are the Army and the Police fascists? I don't see it. You like to call people who's political views are conservative and therefore different from yours fascists because most people connect that term with the Nazi party and all of the atrocities associated with said party. This is merely an attempt to "sling mud". How pathetic. You don't even know the true definition of the word. Saddam Hussein was a fascist. The city police and US Army soldiers are not.

re: You people discust me
by Janus Christ Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 1:00 AM

While I don't agree completely with what you have brought up, you raise alot of valid points.

My only counterpoints are:

1) The recent protests are not so much about the president or even the Iraq war as they are about lies and disinformation spread by armed forces recruiters. I understand that you are a willing participant in the US Army, that you have a job to do, and that like all jobs sometimes we have orders that we don't agree with but have to carry out. I realize that armed forces service is not compulsory in the US, but people have a right to present why they feel joining might be wrong.

2) I understand that tazers are classified as "less than lethal" disorderly control devices (read: "USUALLY not lethal" Hit Google up for stories on death and serious injury from tazer use) and that at least to some degree the girl that was tazered "had what was coming to her" in that she was resisting arrest. However, I find it rather excessive that something like that would be used on someone of such a small stature. I don't believe for a second that a 200+ pound officer would not being able to restrain an unarmed civilian of that size without crowd control devices.

3) I noticed your references to WW2 and that we would "all be speaking Japanese or German without the the US armed forces". It should be noted that up until Pearl Harbor the majority of Americans held an isolationist stance on foreign involvment. An interesting similarity between the Left and isolationist idealists like Pat Buchanan (and what used to be a key Republican ideal) is their opposition to foreign involment like the Iraq war.

My biggest issues with Iraq are not the soldiers being killed and wounded, as you've implied it's part of your job, but that:
1) The war was started unprovoked and under false and half-true pretenses. There where no WMDs, Saddams military was probably at its weakest when the US invaded, and aside from meeting once or twice, there was no alliance between Saddam and Osama bin Laden.
2) Those that benifit from the spoils of this war are not the average US citizen (see gas prices drop lately? They seem to be getting HIGHER.) but major corporations like Halliburton and the oil industry.
3) It is not right for the US to meddle in the affairs of other nations (again this used to be a REPUBLICAN ideal). It is not the responsibility of the US to police the world, it is the responsibility of the citizens of dictatorships to rise up on there own in revolt.
4) Concentrating the military on such a huge permanent project leaves us vulnerable in case future military issues rear their ugly head (ie: China, North Korea, Russia.) This is with the hypothetical assumption that these nations would be direct aggressors against the US. This even stretches us thin for minor (but important and humanitarian) military operations like the Darfur region of Sudan. Maybe that sounds contradictory to my last point but I don't think it's so bad to spend a few million dollars (as opposed to BILLIONS for Iraq) just so people in Darfur can eat.

"The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Quite humorous really
by Master P Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 1:43 AM
rhr_1000@hotmail.com

This is quite funny really. All of you "liberals" or whatever you call yourselves are quite fond of throwing around terms like "fascist", "gestapo", and "gulag" as in this perticular entry:

The Gestapo State
by DaffyD Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:10 AM



signs of the breakdown of society:

1. the free press is muzzled.
2. the "loyal" opposition cedes all power to the police state.
3. lawful protest is outlawed as the gestapo police batter, taser, and arrest all who exercise the rights granted under the constitution.
4. free speech is muzzled.
5. freedom of assembly revoked.
6. criticism of government is treasonous, the penalty is deportation to the gulag.

the tazered woman is an enemy of the state. the video warns those like cindy sheehan who would follow in her path.

I challenge ANY of you to quantify just ONE of these statements. Just ONE of them. Do you people have ANY IDEA AT ALL what the Gestapo was really like? How about what a Gulag was really like? To compare the Pittsburgh police to the Gestapo is to compare the Salvation Army to the US Army. They are nothing alike except in name. You throw these words around because the average person doesn't really have a clue as to their true nature; the average person only recognizes that they are "bad things". You try to associate things that you don't like with things that carry a very palatable negative connotation (i.e. guilty by association). Even though the person or thing in question is really nothing like the adjective you are using to describe it you still use it in an attempt to have the adjective's negative connotation "rub off" on the person or thing in question. You throw these words around without a true understanding of their very nature. If the posting that I commented was but an isolated case I would hardly care, but I am seeing more than the one case. Do you really and honestly thing that the police are "gestapo like"? Please.

Like I said just PROVE ONE ITEM FROM THE QUOTED COMMENT. Show me how you are correct, rather than just spewing liberal, peacenick propaganda.

I am not american
by not fucking bastard Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 1:27 PM

"The amount of incorrect facts on here is astonishing. For the record Bill H.J.Res.114 calling for war on Iraq was approved by the house in Oct 2002 by a count of 296-133 and in the senate by 77-23. By the way Senators Reid, Clinton and Kerry all voted for it."

That prove only at you must not be surprise if your police forces are against you. Your army have allready concentration camps all around the world (Gantanamo is just one, you are occupying more as 100 countries with your military bases.).

That's funny the american dream: Now it is american against american... Maybe the rest of the world have a chance to live in peace after all!

Soldiers Aren't the Problem
by UnionMaid Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 3:41 PM

Don't assume that violent hate-mongers like "Kill the Arabs" are soldiers. I started protesting war with Vietnam Veterans Against the War. The combat veterans I've known understand that war is hell and are more likely to work against it than incite it. Most hateful venters like "Kill" are just wannabes who would get a whole new perspective if they ever had to endure the particular hell of combat.

I have perspective
by Combat Veteran For Service Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 8:10 PM

Hey ass, just because you have been to war does not give you any greater moral authority to protest it or to support military action. I am a combat veteran and one of the reason I served in the military was to ensure the rights of everyone (including your lazy coddled vagrant America Hating Terrorist supporting ass) to have an opinion of equal weight with each other person. However, I have far more persepctive than you to understand that this military action is entirely justified and necessary. Our soldiers are doing an excellent and honorable job in the field. All you are doing with your BS and trying to interupt recruitment is showing your total disrespect for the military and those that serve. Maybe if you enlisted you would then have the added value in your opinion to criticiz ;)

funny
by dave Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 11:46 PM

lol.. retards, get out of the way next time.

STOP THEM BEFORE THEY RECRUIT AGAIN
by AMERICAHATERTERRORISTSUPPORTERTHANKYOUMAM Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 12:53 AM

STOP THEM BEFORE THE...
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Stop the military recruits, because we sure as hell do not want anyone going into the worthless military service. If you need any proof about just how horrible these military types are see the evidential photos below.

Nigs
by NiggerHater Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 1:17 AM

FUCKING NIGGERS. STRING THAT NIGGER CUNT UP BY THE FUCKIN BALLS, YOU CUNT FUCKING CUNTLICKING CUNTS.

"NiggerHater"
by just wondering Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 11:30 AM

Why is this crap on Indymedia?

What's the saying?
by Spanky Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 11:35 AM

I think the large man said to stop, drop, and roll - it took you a little time, but soon you came around! Funny stuff, sent it to many college pals.

protesters exaggerate police actions
by ihateanarchists! Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 11:36 AM

Are cops wild in the streets? New study says no way!

To hear some of the media and activist police critics tell it, American cops are "out of control," running rampant in an "epidemic" of unjustified use of force.

But in an ongoing study that has been underway now for more than three years, Dr. Darrell Ross, an associate professor in the CJ department at East Carolina University, is nailing down facts that prove just the opposite is true.

In reality, Ross insists, officers' use of force is miniscule in the totality of police-citizen contacts. Force incidents -both lethal and nonlethal - actually are down by significant percentages in recent years. And the oft-repeated accusation that police deliberately and discriminatorily target racial minorities in employing force is not substantiated when important contextual information is taken into account.

Why does the myth of extensive and excessive use of force persist? Partly, Ross suggests, because certain powerful political agendas and philosophical orientations depend on it. Partly because important, relevant social forces are not properly understood or reported. And partly because of the nature of modern media.

"People try to show a trend by taking one incident and magnifying it," Ross told Force Science News, and the practice of tv shows infinitely replaying videotape "loops" of isolated police violence makes the atmosphere on the street "look worse than it is, like the police profession is in a conspiracy to beat people up.

"This is not to say we have never had officers who cross the line of brutality. We've had countless examples, just as other professions have their unethical members. But not at the level that the myth says. The truth is that police use of force, including deadly force, is less than it used to be by far."

As a law enforcement trainer, CJ educator and expert witness with more than 20 years' experience, Ross had grown wearily familiar with the accusatory broadsides leveled at American policing regarding use of force. At the latest ASLET training conference, he itemized a laundry list of these allegations, including claims that "police brutality is systematic," that police "use more force than necessary," that police "discriminately use excessive force against minority groups," that police willfully and regularly "violate citizens' 4th Amendment rights" and so on.

What finally motivated Ross to launch his study was the book "Police Brutality," an anthology of essays edited by journalist Jill Nelson about the "crisis" of police "misconduct," the "persecution" and "murder" of blacks by officers, and the disreputable behavior of "the fuzz" on the "battlefront" of the streets. The tenor of this material, coupled with "police brutality" reports by activist groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, seemed so vastly "ill-informed and ill-conceived" compared to Ross' personal experiences that he determined to discover and document the truth.

To date, he has compiled and analyzed an extensive amount of pertinent data, including more than 220 lethal force and 60 less-than-lethal force studies, innumerable articles and reports, 35 years' worth of government crime-trend statistics, 26 years of officer-felon shooting data and 3,500 civil liability cases (among them more than 300 that he has been involved in as an expert witness).

In an interview with Force Science News, he discussed some of his key conclusions:

-First of all, it's important to understand that between 1978 and 2003, the U.S. population age 13 and older grew by about 47,000,000 people. The police population in that period increased by about 235,000 officers. Yet despite a civilian population growth that is about 200 times that of law enforcement growth, police shootings have not increased. Indeed only a tiny percentage of police-citizen contacts-holding steady at about 1%-involve police using force of any kind. Even in arrests, use of force occurs only in about 3%.

-From 1968 to 1975, an average of 483 persons per year were shot dead by police rounds. That average has dropped significantly since then. Overall, the annual average of lethal shootings is down 33% since 1968. Shootings by police that inflict injury but not death have decreased by 20-22%, Ross says. He credits a drop in violent crime, more restrictive court rulings (notably Tennessee v. Garner), better training and decision-making by officers and the availability of more less-lethal force options, including OC, Taser and beanbag ammunition.

-Police shootings are related to UCR violent crime trends. Both tend to be highest in crime- and violence-ridden "hot spots" within a city. These areas are "catalysts" for officers being called and using force to deal with the situations they encounter there, Ross says. Like it or not, the areas with the highest concentration of violent crimes predominately are black. "Shootings are related to community safety and crime in the community," Ross explains. In fairness, "you can't ignore that and look at police shootings in a vacuum. If you don't consider factors like this you aren't looking at the true nature of the statistics."

-Given their representation in the general population (about 15%), blacks are disproportionately shot by police. But that figure is changing. In 1978, 49% of suspects shot by officers were black. By 2003 that had fallen to 34%. It's relevant to note that there also is a racial disparity where the commission of violent crime is concerned. For example, "African-American males are eight times more likely to commit homicide than whites," Ross points out. This involvement in violence and other behavioral choices make them more likely use-of-force targets. "The lifestyle of people who get shot is generally different from those who don't. You can't overlook that. Disparity in shootings does not equate with 'discrimination' in shootings."

-The race of the players in use-of-force scenarios is changing. The incidence of white officers killing black suspects has dropped since 1978, while the incidence of white officers killing white suspects is increasing. Most often black suspects are killed by black officers. All of this "dispels the myth of cops picking only on a certain race" when force is used, Ross says. "Research over the last 30 years repeatedly shows that lethal force used by police is NOT racially motivated."

-As to the charge that misguided police tactics provoke force encounters, Ross found no evidence of a pattern in which "the officer 'created' the danger and/or situation in which lethal force was required, nor did the officer take a 'poor position' that placed the officer in a situation necessitating the use of lethal force."

-Where both lethal force and nonlethal force are concerned, Ross' research confirms that the measure of force officers decide to employ is "highly associated" with the degree of suspect resistance. In other words, force is not just arbitrarily and unjustly delivered. Indeed, he found that officers "routinely use lower forms of force than what could have been justified" (deploying OC, for example, when a baton or a neck restraint could have been employed). A significant indication of the move toward lower levels of force is a decline in the use of impact weapons and a corresponding rise in the use of pepper spray, Ross says.

-As to the claim of widespread "brutality," Ross cites the federal DOJ's Use of Force Survey (1996 and 2000), the largest study of its kind ever made. Of all the hundreds of thousands of police-citizen contacts in which force of some kind was used, fewer than 1% of uses were considered excessive. In 68% of arrests, the subject did not sustain any injury, and in another 25% only a cut or bruise occurred. In fact, officers in force encounters are more likely than suspects to suffer an injury that requires hospital treatment!

Ross believes it'is important for officers, trainers, administrators and friends of law enforcement to "do what we can to get the word out" about his findings and "set the record straight." He also urges these additional recommendations:

1. Government entities and their insurers need to continue to "fight to win" questionable lawsuits based on exaggerated abusive force allegations. Officers can help in this effort by writing "a lot better reports" of force incidents, he says.

2. The trend toward greater sophistication in police training needs to be accelerated. He specifically advocates "dynamic, scenario-based" training through role-playing and use of simulators that helps officers "make better decisions" and drive inappropriate uses of force "down even further."

3. Departments should review and revise use-of-force policies that may create confusing, no-win situations for officers. For example, he says, some agencies still insist that officers use "only the minimum force necessary" to make an arrest or control a violent offender. This unnecessarily opens the door to "coulda/shoulda" criticism where officers' actions are second-guessed, Ross says-because it is not the standard stated by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark case Graham v. Connor. The Court established a standard of "objective reasonableness," which allows for broader flexibility in the realistic context of unpredictable, fast-evolving, complex dynamics that so often characterize force encounters.

"It's vitally important that the public be informed about the issues Dr. Ross' research addresses," says Dr. Bill Lewinski, executive director of the Force Science Research Center at Minnesota State University-Mankato. "If myths are not dispelled, they are believed, and that means people will believe cops are as violent as movies and other media often make them out to be. Once that belief prevails, then the risk is that even totally professional force encounters between officers and subjects will be interpreted as inappropriately violent."

Some of Ross' findings are reported in the journal Law Enforcement Executive Forum for Jan. '05. The article is titled: "A Content Analysis of the Emerging Trends in the Use of Non-Lethal Force Research in Policing." Copies can be ordered on line at: http://www.ptb.state.il.us/ForumJournal/current.shtml

Ross also teaches a 16-hour block on "The Myths and Realities of the Police Use of Force," which can be adapted for shorter conference presentations, with training implications included. He can be reached at (252) 328-4203 or via email Dr. Darrell Ross



Niggerhating
by Janus Christ Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 4:05 PM

It's almost never that I say this, but could someone edit that shit out?

Could you please procreate?
by Anti-con Crusader Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 10:31 AM
anticoncrusader@hotmail.com You-have-been-duped like I'd reveal that

Hey Combat Veteran,
If you're so convinced of the worth of this war, could you please either a). go back into the service as a private yourself, or b). have a kid that we can put into the armed forces as soon as possible. If you red-state-mentality assholes are hell-bent on killing everyone tanner than you, could you at least go do it and pay for it yourselves? I'm tired of seeing friends and family shot and maimed on account of your short-sighted ignorance. Why go fucking up someone else's hometown when yours is probably bad enough already. Have a good time paying more than $3.00 at the pump...maybe they can at least save some of the petroleum for your soon-to-be sore butthole after George W. gets done raping you. Peace out.

So tell me why
by anti-anti-con Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 12:22 PM

do all of those people that you are so concerned about seeing killed and maimed join the armed forces that you hate so much anyway. Where they too fukin stupid to realize that if they join the military they may have to go to war and will have to fight when called upon? If that was the case then they are obviously too dumn to live. peace on dude.

quotes
by Jim Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 8:25 PM

"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men and women who refuse military service"
-Albert Einstein

"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by wich we arrive at that goal"
-Martin Luther King Jr.

Tazers are not a form of peace so how can they create peace?

quotes
by Jim Friday, Sep. 02, 2005 at 11:47 PM

"The pioneers of a warless world are the young men and women who refuse military service"
-Albert Einstein

"Peace is not merely a distant goal that we seek, but a means by wich we arrive at that goal"
-Martin Luther King Jr.

Tazers are not a form of peace so how can they create peace?

FUCK RACISM AND FUCK YOU
by PUNK'S NOT DEAD Saturday, Sep. 03, 2005 at 6:30 PM

FUCK RACISM AND FUCK YOU, WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, DONT FUCKING TELL ANYONE ANY FUCKING RACISM BULLSHIT, FUCK THAT SHIT AND FUCK YOU FUCKING COCKSUCKING ASSHOLE, GO FUCKING SUCK A NUT, YOUR A FUCKING WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT
FUCK RACISM AND FUCK YOU

Re: Punk being dead
by Janus Christ Monday, Sep. 05, 2005 at 2:52 AM

Dude, relax. Don't feed the trolls.

Police Brutality to Women
by Dana Monday, Sep. 05, 2005 at 5:36 PM
danabeee@hotmail.com

9/3/05 Police Brutality to women is real in Pittsburgh.

After a tailgate party in Pittsburgh on Labor day weekend I was handcuffed by two officers who later accused me of disorderly conduct. One whom I belive is named DETECTIVE HANLON pulled me to the side of a building and angrily and extremely roughly handcuffed by hands behind my back. He then kicked my feet out from under me causing me to hit my face off of a brick wall and then hit the cement fracturing my nose and causing blood to run from my nose. He then pushed me to the ground while screaming out of control also bruising my arms and wrists. The officer later COMPLETELY FABRICATED the Incident Report and never mentioned anything about my injuries! This abuse by crooked abusive cops must be stopped!!!

Ugh
by Shelley Monday, Sep. 05, 2005 at 10:51 PM
atomictown@planet-save.com

It's things like these that remind me of just how corrupt people can become when they're given power.

Comment to FUCK RACISM post...
by red neck. Tuesday, Sep. 13, 2005 at 12:30 AM
aldkjalkgjaelkgjae@yahoo.com 1818710133

Haha, your post kinda sounds like the Blink 182 sond, Sh**, Pi**, Fu**, Cun*, Coc* sucker, mother fu**er...etc....

Dont worry I'm against racism too.

Civil Obedience
by Rust Belt Tuesday, Sep. 13, 2005 at 4:07 PM

My first reaction: Omigod, the police in Pittsburgh are out of control. What kind of city council would arm its police with tasers? What kind of misogynist or sadist cop would use a taser against a defenceless girl!? I hope that "officer of the law" loses his job -- don't you have civilian review of police misconduct, in Pittsburgh??!!

My second reaction: Had it been Watts in L.A., the QuickTime video would have sparked an immediate riot. The average citizen is too docile, pacified, to rise up in her defense. I also hope that the QuickTime video of this police brutality makes the rounds of the country and of the globe, to help illustrate to other Americans and other peoples in the world, how difficult it is to change anything, when the police & the national guard are on the wrong side. What can you do to make the video more widely distributed, nationwide?

"Average Citizen," superb moral cipher
by A. G.Phillbin Wednesday, Sep. 14, 2005 at 3:24 PM
agfilbin@yahoo.com

"Average Citizen" and the other commenters who say that the tasered woman "got what she deserved" are both stupid and despicable. "AC," you ask whether her flopping around required a baton or a taser. In the first place, cops aren't there to give ANYONE "what they deserve" -- that's what courts are for. Secondly, you stupidly omitted several other possible actions that hulking, bald-headed cop could have taken. He could have used his superior physical strength and weight to subdue her. He could have asked one of his fellow officers (most of whom were just standing around) to hold her legs while he held her arms. Instead, he chose the bully and coward's way out -- he used a weapon against a flailing 110 pound weakling. IF she were larger, should he have shot her? You differ from the yahoos who supported the beating of Rodney King only by degree, not substance.

But I forgot -- to people like you, Order is of supreme importance, and disobedience to those who represent Order is tantamount to treason, and those who disobey "get what they deserve." There was a name for your kind during the run-up to the American Revolution. They were called "Tories." You now celebrate what freedom you have in this country, but stupidly regard it as a gift of the government. It is therefore a freedom which you morally do not deserve.

To the HATER!!
by Fighting Liberal Wednesday, Sep. 14, 2005 at 5:06 PM

To the HATER!!!

Your study is very informative, but to present it as representation of the conduct of officials today is flawed on at least two fronts. First, there is the temporal issue: how people acted during a 22 year period that ended a few years ago tells us only about how the conduct was then. Much of the data is 20 years old. What a waste of probably a lot of money.

Next, many of its assertions are based upon numbers given by the ones being researched (investigated). What was and was not excessive force, what was or was not serious injury, what was or was not any injury. Question is a woman who has 50,000 volts of electric current thrown into her thigh, but does not sustain a cut, and injured person.

The research is so self serving. Just as your use of it is. I for one have many of the same issues as you do, however I refuse to allow myself to condone or rationalize away uncivilized violent behavior. That is what separates civilized from uncivilized.

Violence is like fire always looking to expand. Rationalizing it occurrence will only foster its ability to spread. Research this: the early sixties were marred with racial strife – people like you said well it isn’t really happening and/or they must deserve it. The violence was rationalized away, and it grew to a point in the late sixties we staring having violence against college and teen protesters. Because they had the audacity to notice the Vietnam was not a righteous conflict.

Well. We rationalized that away because it really was just exaggerations by people who needed a little come up pence (?). And as violence does it spread til May 4th 1969. Where an unfortunate armed National Guard troop was sent by an elephant head governor with orders to forcibly end the conflict. Which is now history.

There is discontent brewing out there. The hate is building along cultural, faith, generational and party lines, and to think that the unrest will be dealt with civilly smack of naiveté and no understanding of hate and its weapon violence. Or is it the other way around?

I don’t know if you have teenagers, but what will be your story if they get caught up in the fray? If there is not some real attempt to be conciliatory by the present administration- history will again repeat itself.

The study is almost useless. Except maybe in presenting the number of people that are killed by police shootings.
Frank

N hater are you ____?
by Someone who wishes you'd enlist Wednesday, Sep. 14, 2005 at 5:13 PM

Did you see movie American Rose. It was about an uptight, angry hating ex military, mean SOB. As it turns out he was just like you?

Good work!
by Jason Saturday, Sep. 17, 2005 at 10:08 AM

Good work! Nice to see hard working officers taking out the trash! Men of the law, I salute you!

Where's the sound?
by Joe Wall Thursday, Sep. 22, 2005 at 5:56 PM
jstudlyhungwell@hotmail.com

Where's the sound. I know that all videos have sound. Did you purposely elliminate it from this clip to insure that your viewers would not hear her defiance to verbal commands? Hmmm... I also noticed that, once being tased one time, compliance was gained. There didn't appear to be a second administration of electricity.

Nuttin'
by Joe Wall Thursday, Sep. 22, 2005 at 6:00 PM
jstudlyhungwell@hotmail.com

Maybe the officer didn't want to get his uniform dirty. Maybe she should have obeyed the law.

Dirty Uniform
by Officer Down Friday, Sep. 23, 2005 at 12:53 PM

Hopefully, he will develop a leak of some sorts which will make his uniform red.

WHAT ??
by Officer Krumpky Friday, Sep. 23, 2005 at 2:53 PM

So, Officer Down, you are suggesting violence against this officer. Of course, how else and what else would that red leak occur.

I thought this was a Peace Rally not a Peace Protest. Why is it that som many of these actions are Peace Protests, driven by hate and violence on the part of the activists.

You people disgust me.
by Chuck Friday, Sep. 23, 2005 at 11:35 PM
cdriggs@yahoo.com

Hermann Wilhelm Göring,(January 12, 1893 – October 15, 1946) was an early member of the Nazi party, founder of the Gestapo, and one of the main leaders of Nazi Germany.

Göring's last days were spent with Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nuremberg jail. Gilbert kept a journal of his observations of the proceedings and his conversations with the prisoners, which he later published in the book Nuremberg Diary.

Later in the conversation, Gilbert recorded Göring's observations that the common people can always be manipulated into supporting and fighting wars by their political leaders:

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?

Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and for exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

And you sound a lot like Göring...

kill the arabs is an arrogant fuck
by trilogy Saturday, Sep. 24, 2005 at 5:25 PM

YOU ARE A FUCKING RACIST MOTHERFUCKER, IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO MAKE THIS WORLD WHAT IT IS, IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT ARE IN POWER AND IT IS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT WILL REMAIN IN POWER FOR ONE REASON TO REAP THE BENeFITS OF WAr, GO DIG A HOLE SOMEWHERE AND DIE IN IT.

Ahab the Arab.
by Joe Wall Saturday, Sep. 24, 2005 at 5:58 PM

No can do, Buddy. I'm too busy ruling the world. Maybe you could too, if you'd only quit smoking dope and believing everything you hear on FSTV and the ACLU blah, blah, blah!!

PS. You're a dork.

Doesn't look like anything's happinin' to me!
by Joe Wall Saturday, Sep. 24, 2005 at 6:08 PM

You're all awake now. That's why Dopey didn't win the '04 election. Still bruting over that one it seems. Also, I've seen peace rallies that actually are peace rallies. No one arrested. No one hurt. Political leaders open up. Progress. Then I've seen riots cleverly disguised as "peace rallies." I see people getting hurt, they're stuff getting torn up and burned by "peace protestors" and "counter recruiters" and stupid people with taser wires hooked to them flopping around on the ground like fish out of water. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick! Bzzzzzt~~ Classic slapstick entertainment.

King of the burning sand
by Ahmed Fuqwa M'Azule Saturday, Sep. 24, 2005 at 8:53 PM

Are all racists white men from America in your world? Wouldn't that e racist of you to think that? Isn't it racist of you to think that Arab can not be or are not racist? The whole wahabi islamic extremism is racist. It is built upon racism. Racism is the whole reason that it exists.

P.S. And your mother dresses you funny.

Goriing
by Joe Wall Sunday, Sep. 25, 2005 at 5:01 PM
jstudlyhungwell

Its real easy to equate anyone that does not agree with your views with Herman Goriing then ramble spewage that would nausiate any garbologist. You have got to get a clue! Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Goring
by Deam Wormer Sunday, Sep. 25, 2005 at 7:07 PM

Let's not forget that Hitler liked puppies and was very kind to animals. That sounds alot like those nazis down at Animal Friends.

Nazi Puppie Lovers.
by Joe Wall Monday, Sep. 26, 2005 at 12:24 PM

Good answer! I laughed 'til it hurt...

Restrained?
by watch closer Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 12:56 PM

She was fighting police and not retrained but still fighting. I would almost bet if you grabbed the whole video instead of just parts warnings were also given she would be tazed if she didn't calm down. Moral of the video listen and obey or get fried.

Obey or get fried?
by Officer Down Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 1:51 PM

Your hero Saddam, couldn't have put it any better. There are apparently many Baathists in the Pittsburgh Police Department.

Andy Thayer
by Mas'r Wednesday, Sep. 28, 2005 at 8:49 PM

Haha, Andy Thayer Got Arrested last year in Chicago. And now Liberal puppet Cindy Sheehan got arrested. What a tool.

Pigs
by alohabunny Thursday, Sep. 29, 2005 at 5:38 AM

Nazi pigs.....just like the Gestapo...different country different time but same disgusting power hungry pigs.

wow
by rob Friday, Sep. 30, 2005 at 8:24 PM

That was the coolest video I've ever seen. I laughed for 10 minutes and kept playing it over and over.

"FASCISM FASCISM!!!" *WAAAAAAAAAAH*

Seriously, you people are a parody of yourselves and I love the fact that you are out their for peoples enjoyment.

Nothing out of line
by PS Saturday, Oct. 01, 2005 at 5:21 AM
PHOENIX, AZ

Neither person was subjected to excessive force. The officers used only that force necessary to remove the subjects. Both were resistant to a degree (different levels). Neither complied with officer intructions. Officers escalated their use of force on the continuum to that level reasonably necessary to enforce the law.

The Police Should have killed the Protesters
by Liberalism Sucks Sunday, Oct. 02, 2005 at 4:29 PM

The Protesters are Crazy, and the Police remained calmer than they should have.

just a suggestion
by darryl Friday, Oct. 07, 2005 at 5:58 AM

maybe if we stopped putting each other into non-existent little boxes ("hippies", "fascist pigs") at the first sign of disagreement there could actually be some helpful conversation here. This has always been a tactic of individuals, governments, and media outfits to avoid debate. If you are confident that you have some insightful opinion, why chicken out of an arguement by stereotyping and condescending anyone who disagrees? it only makes you look stupid. And worse yet, it makes your ideas look stupid, no matter how right they may be.

quit being stupid
by Grant Mcphail Sunday, Oct. 09, 2005 at 6:51 PM

I will never be tazed. Police dont just walk up to people and taze them for no reason. If the police have probable cause that you have comitted a crime, you can be arrested. If you resist, you will be met with the safest amount of force possible. The woman in that video would not comply with police who had the duty to arrest her. The police officers should'nt have to grab her or place themselves any closer than they have to in order to arrest her. She made the dicision to resist arrest. She made the dicision to be tased.

tone it down?
by C-orey Monday, Oct. 10, 2005 at 12:39 AM

I don't get why some people seem to think that if you block a street, or a recruitment centre in this case, you deserve to be arrested. What the hell do you think this rally was about? Yea theres a good idea, everyone sit one the sidewalk out of peoples way and be quite, that will sure get your message across. Good job to everyone who attended this rally. Blocking the recruitment centre was a strategic move which made perfect sense. I'm just thankful that the coppers up here only beat you with billy clubs, those taser things look painful..

The big police guy IS the USA
by Me from abroad Wednesday, Oct. 12, 2005 at 1:46 AM

I am from Europe. I live in Canada. I watch sadly as the US fails to become wise while holding so much power. Isn't what's happening inside your own country just reflecting what the US is doing abroad: beating up and killing people with disproportionate use of force for silly reasons? Most of the World countries see you as the most stupid people in the World now. What a pity...

This video clip of yet another "peace keeping" effort from the police in the US is being shared on the Internet. These incidents and these wars are going to happen more and more as resources become more scarce and the powerful try to keep their idiotic standard of living.

This forum shows that the moronic level in the US has now reached a point of no return. Most of my friends in the US who declare to be anti-Bush actually live and consume in a way that justifies more oil motivated wars and drillings to perpetuate their "american standard of living". They don't even realize it.

Keep on pumping oil and tazer guns, my dear american friends, you will eventually destroy yourself. You have already started. And that's probably for the best of the rest of us.

USA is #1
by God Wednesday, Oct. 12, 2005 at 2:09 AM

Thank you euro-trash canadian dog-sledder. Another well-thought out rant filled with popular anti-americanism. It must suck to be the castrated enuch of the world, always vying for support and moral assurance from Europe. I love this new world view of condemnation of the powerful that is the chic way to go about sounding intelligent. Tell me Canadian, how do YOU live that is in *harmony* with the world? Since only Americans use oil, have trash, and eat McDonalds... tell what you drive, how you magically absorb trash into your asshole, and what fine delicacies you endulge in from the north.... inquiring minds want to know how to live so pure and peaceful.

Re : USA is #1
by Me from Abroad Wednesday, Oct. 12, 2005 at 4:32 AM

Hello my poetic friend. Your anger reveals deep psychological disorder that seems to have altered your sense. I wish we would be on dog sleds in Canada rather than on your stupid Humvees. This is not the case. The title you are using, USA is #1, confirms that you and your moronic president are obsessed with military performances and ranking. Could that be that you experience performance problems in other fields? You also seem to be paranoïde with the state of castration since being an eunuch is for you despicable to the point you use it as the ultimate insult. Tell me what's so wrong about being an eunuq? Do you use your dick to think? Or is your dick your unique weapon in life? And finaly you seem to have a fixation with your anus since you suggest that waste could be inserted in there. Don't do it baby, you may hurt yourself. Thanks for the laugh and continue posting, you are amusing.

Get the facts
by Back the Blue Friday, Oct. 14, 2005 at 2:59 PM

First of all, I'm not trying to make a stink on your web site or start some kind of good guys bad guys war.

I am a Law Enforcement Officer and a member of the Armed Service. I understand everyone being upset about the videos, but what are the circumstances surrounding the incidents, yes in the short seconds of the video everything looks like the arrested people are not doing much at all. The woman who was shot with the tazer looked like she was under control but, what was she doing before the video was taken?

I’m not trying to defend the actions of a corrupt officer maybe the officers in the video get off on beating people up... or maybe there was more to it.

I speak from experience I have been on the officer’s end and I took no pleasure what so ever having to use physical action to apprehend someone. Of course people abuse their power, but please don’t stereotype the actions of a few to all officers.

I think this poem will help…..

Well, Mr. Citizen, I guess you've figured me out. I seem to fit neatly in the category where you placed me. I am stereotyped, characterized, standardized, classified, grouped, and always typical. Unfortunately, the reverse is not true.. I can never you out. From birth you teach your children that I'm the boogeyman and then you're shocked when they identify with my traditional enemy, THE CRIMINAL. You accuse me of coddling juveniles until I catch your kid doing wrong. You take an hour for lunch and several coffee breaks each day, but point me out as a loafer if you catch me having just one cup. You pride yourself on your polished manners, but think nothing of disrupting my meals with your troubles. You raise hell with the guy who cuts you off in traffic, but let me catch you doing the same thing and I'm picking on you. You know all the traffic laws, but you've never gotten a single ticket you deserved. You shout "FOUL!" if you see me driving too fast to an emergency call, but raise hell if I take more than ten seconds to respond to your call. You call it part of my job if someone strikes me, but it's police brutality if I strike back. You would not think of telling your dentist how to pull a badly-decayed tooth, or your doctor how to take out your appendix, but are always willing to give me a few pointers on the law. You talk to me in a manner that would assure a bloody nose from anyone else, but expect me to take it without batting an eye. You cry "Something has got to be done about the crime!" but you can't be bothered with getting involved. You have no use for me at all, but of course it's O.K. if I change a flat for your wife, or deliver your child in the back seat of my radio car on the way to the hospital, or save your son's life with mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, or work many hours looking for your lost daughter. So, Mr. Citizen, you stand there on your soapbox and rant and rave about the way I do my job, calling me every name in the book, but never stopping to think that your property, your family, or maybe even your life depends on me or one of my buddies. Yes, Mr. Citizen, it's me, the lousy cop!

Bring ‘em home!

Cant judge it yet...
by someone who hate things Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005 at 9:45 AM

well you cant realy judge this yet... because it dosent show what they did befor he started shocking her... its kinda edited so i cant judge it...

Little Boy Blue
by Officer Down Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005 at 12:44 PM

Why don't you round up the real violent criminals? Cuff some CEO's and politicians, instead of protecting their interests?

Good work
by kingmc Monday, Oct. 24, 2005 at 2:55 PM

That was perfect - that kid wouldn't move so they arrested him. Too bad he didn't resist or he wouldv'e gotten tased!

Why I don't back the blue
by Riot Police or Police Riot Tuesday, Oct. 25, 2005 at 9:40 AM

Dear "back the blue"

You seem to be attempting a rational post while still identifying as a member of the military (yes, you too are a law enforcement officer - I make no difference between the two) I suppose the reasons why I am unable to find merit in your comments are quite simple.

"Back the blue" is obviously one of the police officers "code" - although you are clearly trying to make the case for the existance of "bad cops" and removing yourself from that group, the code remains the same. Had you been on the detail during the August 20 police riot and witnessed unwarranted police brutality, would you have stopped it? Would you have intervened and put a much needed leash on said officers? Would you have protected a 68 year old woman from being bitten by a police dog? Would you have shielded young children from pepper spray?

We all know the answers to these questions. The blue knight code will always trump your alleged conscience. Wearing the blue will always make you complicit. If this was not the case, folks like Jonny Gammage, Michael Elerbe, Dion Hall, Jerry Jackson, Charles Dixon and a long, long list of people who suffered a horrible fate at the hands of police officers would not exist. Why didn't one of these "good cops" step in during one of these attrocities? Where were the good cops then?

Personally, I can change my wife's damn tire myself, I can deliver my children or rely on a person who is not complicit in the deaths of thousands of innocent people and stands to protect the needs of the corporations and ruling classes myself

Nice try but I still don't buy it

Why I don't back the blue
by Riot police or police riot? Tuesday, Oct. 25, 2005 at 9:43 AM

Dear "back the blue"

You seem to be attempting a rational post while still identifying as a member of the military (yes, you too are a law enforcement officer - I make no difference between the two) I suppose the reasons why I am unable to find merit in your comments are quite simple.

"Back the blue" is obviously one of the police officers "code" - although you are clearly trying to make the case for the existance of "bad cops" and removing yourself from that group, the code remains the same. Had you been on the detail during the August 20 police riot and witnessed unwarranted police brutality, would you have stopped it? Would you have intervened and put a much needed leash on said officers? Would you have protected a 68 year old woman from being bitten by a police dog? Would you have shielded young children from pepper spray?

We all know the answers to these questions. The blue knight code will always trump your alleged conscience. Wearing the blue will always make you complicit. If this was not the case, folks like Jonny Gammage, Michael Elerbe, Dion Hall, Jerry Jackson, Charles Dixon and a long, long list of people who suffered a horrible fate at the hands of police officers would not exist. Why didn't one of these "good cops" step in during one of these attrocities? Where were the good cops then?

Personally, I can change my wife's damn tire myself, I can deliver my children or rely on a person who is not complicit in the deaths of thousands of innocent people and stands to protect the needs of the corporations and ruling classes.

Nice try - not buying it.

Left Wingers
by Rumplestilzkin Thursday, Oct. 27, 2005 at 1:54 AM

These videos could have been just as easily been 'edited' by Michael Moore, just like his other "documentaries." Individuals form the far left or right of the sepcrtum not only fail, but refuse to view live outside their own tunnel vision. I agree with another person who previously stated neither "victim" was the reciepiant of excessive force. Especially only seeing small clips of the whole scene, and having no background on the entire situation. As far as the man being removed from the recruiting station, it could be classified as private property, and IF it's public, he is loitering...

women arrested
by craig Thursday, Oct. 27, 2005 at 6:33 PM
akggi4@hotmail.com 3066546969 i hate liberals

Liberals are ruining this country. they are arming themselves with the lefties in the UN and the disgusting org. known as the ACLU. These people claim to be good Americans, but they are only concentrated on one thing, the bad guy. They will stop at nothing to protect the pedophile the drug dealer the terrorist and the cop killer. They twist and bend the constitution accordingly and I blame most of the garbage in this country to progressive liberalism. Craig

bullshit
by cop lover Monday, Nov. 07, 2005 at 4:48 PM

I see what the police did to her when she didnt listen to them to "roll over on her belly" how about you guys show what she was doing before the police got there or before she was on the ground. then i bet we will get to see what she did to get the treatment she received.

Is that you Saddam?
by Freedom Lover Monday, Nov. 07, 2005 at 6:32 PM

Why do so many Baathists post here? Why do they hate freedom so much? The fedayin saddam feel the same way as you when it comes to dissent.
Why don't you move to red china or sudan or uzbekistan where your fellow death squads feel the same way you do about people who aren't willing to just blindly tounge the leader's asshole?
The morons who crashed into the pentagon and the wtc probably felt the same way you do about questioning authority.
fucking low-rent saddams.

This is bullshit
by Knut Tuesday, Nov. 08, 2005 at 7:57 AM

The guy sitting in front of the dog got arrested because he didnt comply. The woman was arrested by force (you can see her trying something at the very start of the video, but it is edited so that it looks like she is just being tased) You guys are liars and loosers :)

6 of 1, half dozen of the other
by NightHunter Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2005 at 5:09 AM

It isn't all black and white on the street. Consider these diametrically opposed facts.

Fact #1. Some idiots do deserve street justice. Sad but true. Sometimes a good old fashioned ass is the answer.

Fact #2. Some cops are merely sadistic, bullying cowards that hide behind a badge and need a gun or a tazer because they don't have much of a penis and are trying to compensate.

Most of the police violence I have seen was uncalled for. Some wasn't.

Like I said, it isn't all black and white.

Pepperspray
by Capiscum OC-12 Tuesday, Nov. 15, 2005 at 7:05 PM

She also got 500,000,000 Scoville units in the face before getting the Taser! She kept fighting after the Pepperspray, so the cop had no choice but to use Taser.

out of donuts, Sammy?
by @ Wednesday, Nov. 16, 2005 at 5:09 PM

At least you can admit chemical weapons were deployed - unlike when Winkler said his spray "failed"

Today's pig, tomorrow's bacon
by Officer Down Wednesday, Nov. 16, 2005 at 6:30 PM

Wow, I'm really impressed at the technical knowledge exhibited by the above poster regarding the use of chemical weapons, especially the Scoville rating. Either that post was by a cop who copied and pasted the info from a commercial site or it's a cop groupie (aka 'badge bunny' like DA Zappala) or a wannabee. Given the cluelessness of the soon to be unemployed McNeilly and the almost pathetic incompetence as displayed at the preliminary hearing for the attacks on 8/20, there is no way that one of the dope-pushing goons that make up the Pgh cops knows that much about any aspect of their job, other than the 1st and the 15th are good days to collect on their drug protection money.

She kept fighting
by Capisum OC-12 Saturday, Nov. 19, 2005 at 11:05 PM

She kept resisting the officers AFTER she was sprayed. Therefore, they had to TASER her. Better than getting hit across the head with a Baton.

They would just hit you with pepperspray or shoot you
by Capisum OC-12 Saturday, Nov. 19, 2005 at 11:59 PM

Don't try it. If TASER fails, the cops will just pepperspray you. If that does not work, they will baton you or shoot you.

A gazillion volts
by deputydog Sunday, Nov. 20, 2005 at 5:22 AM

There isn't an OC spray that has a 500,000,000 SU rating.

Boxer arrested for assault and battery on sparing partner
by deputydog Sunday, Nov. 20, 2005 at 5:28 AM

Thos clips are like wathing a clip from a boxing match, and seeing one boxer hit another. Then using that clip to charge the offending boxer with assault and battery. The thing is we don't know what was going on in either clips. Personally, I think the female subject was resisting arrest, and police officer's are trained to use increasing levels of force as the resistance increases. The only other option in that situation was to force her to role over and put her hands behind her back, but she would have most likely been injured. If you have to forcably turn someone over on concrete and then wrestle their arms behind them someone is probably going to get injured.

Awesome!
by Betsy Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2005 at 2:07 AM

This video is awesome! It shows what happens when hippies don't listen!

What happens when the pigs don't listen
by learn, baby, learn Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2005 at 5:05 AM

http://riotporn.blogspot.com/

Yowza Baws
by Malcolm Little Wednesday, Nov. 23, 2005 at 11:50 AM

All cops are house slaves, licking the hand that beats them

misrepresented
by Matt Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 6:11 AM

This clip is misrepresented. The female on the ground was not restrained when she was tasered. She was in the process of being restrained by officers and was not listening to there commands. Had she listened to the officers, she would not have been tasered however she chose to be uncooperative. The officers were in a very dangerous situation and acted responsably. The effects of a taser only last about 5 seconds and there are no after effects. Maybe next time she will cooperate with the police....probably not.

misrepresented, indeed
by @ Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 10:17 AM

If the female in question was not already restrained, why did it come out in court that she had previously been peppersprayed and restained by the police? This was the statement of a police officer. Why did the cop who performed the tasering give the order for other officers to let her go? This information was provided in another officers testimony during a preliminary trial. It is a matter of public record.

The police acted violently as a show of force and intimidation. Nothing new there.

Contrary to your opinion of this individual being tased for 5 seconds it was 13 seconds and she was indeed tased twice

Restrained?
by Max Pain Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 4:02 PM

First, the comment states that the women was being restrained (can't tell myself because the video doesn't show this because of a choice edit), if this is indeed correct, and she is being restrained, then, obviously she isn't following commands given by the police officers and is, in fact, fighting back. Taser away gentleman. I love the smell of fried liberal in the morning.

Just sitting there?
by Max Pain Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 4:12 PM

The comment states that this guy was "just sitting on the sidewalk"...if this is indeed true (I highly doubt it)...then why was the police called in the first place? Obviously, this guy was harrassing people coming in and out of the recruitment center and the police were called to remove him. When he didn't comply to leave, or even get up on his feet, then he was dragged and arrested. To all liberals: If you still don't know why we are at war or why your crying liberal ass gets beat down while protesting, "Don't start none, won't be none."!

Way Cool !!
by Max Pleasure Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 8:21 PM

That clip of the chick getting zapped is hot. You know, people pay good money to see that done on stage everyday in Amsterdam, and here it is on the Pittsburgh IndiotMedia site for free. How cool is that !! Hey if she were zapped a few more times maybe the fat would sizzle off her ass like bacon in a microwave and then she might be able to start doing one of those Amsterdam shows here while looking really svelt and sexy. Cool Beans, Baby. When can we see it over at Kiva Han?

Max
by Enlighten Me Wednesday, Nov. 30, 2005 at 2:06 PM

I'd love to hear a Baathist sympathizer like yourself explain why the US is at war and why dissent should be dealt with violently (besides "that's what Saddam would do")

Looks like good police work to me
by Ric C. Monday, Dec. 05, 2005 at 12:37 PM

This was great police work. No civilians were injured, no officers were injured, and no property was destroyed. The dog was not aggressive; he was just barking like all dogs do. The male was not dragged; he was picked up and placed on his feet. The arrest was a result of the male passively resisting arrest, and not obey the officers' commands.

Instead of wasting your time trying to cause trouble, how about using it to help keep good order in our great country.

Good?
by Saddam Tuesday, Dec. 06, 2005 at 1:03 PM

Excellent work, officers! If the US decides to reinstall and prop me back up, you'll all be hired.
Except the fact that the little elf who 'handles' the dog gets dragged all over the place, since the dog outweighs (he must be new, he'll soon have the pear shaped physice necessary for 'good' police work)him and is smarter than the whole department. put together.

No injuries
by DPD Thursday, Dec. 08, 2005 at 10:55 AM

Good police work.... non compliant perp ordered to comply... does not.. gets tazed.. then hand cuffed... with no officer injuries and no injuries to perp.

No injuries?
by Saddam Thursday, Dec. 08, 2005 at 12:49 PM

Good work. Keep up the violence against opponents of your regieme or its policies (even if McNeilly isn't sure what they are).

Where's the rest?
by All The Truth Please. Thursday, Dec. 08, 2005 at 2:54 PM

So where's the beginning of this video? Show all of it.

Canadians
by B-Real Thursday, Dec. 08, 2005 at 4:58 PM

I find it funny these days how it is hip to hate america. If we are so hated then why flock to us in record numbers and use all of our tax dollars to feed you. Those of you who are Americans and hate it go somewhere else, we will sadly miss you. Gee, I wonder who Canada would call if they were ever invaded? Hmmmmm....the French? When the Tsunamai hit who gave the most $ in aid? Sure wasn't the Canadians. I guess we have to act as a father to other nations doing what some of our children view as wrong, because in the end we know it is right. At the end of the day, facts are facts and for the most part we Americans look at Canada as a very weak nation that is good for two things: nothing and nothing.

In response "Hello Moonbats!"
by An informed and educated citizen Thursday, Dec. 08, 2005 at 5:42 PM

I believe a few things should be made clear. You are completely wrong in apply that code to this specific case. You should be made aware that we are NOT at war. In order for that code to be applied, we would have to be in a declared war with another sovereign power. We are not. Bush declared war on terrorism, not Iraq. There is no war. Many would argue he is in direct violation of the War Powers Resolution. But I wouldn't expect any different from this administration. They want everyone else to follow the democratic system, but they feel they are above it. It is another police action the US has become involved in. What are we up to now, well over 700 undeclared skirmishes. When you sight legal codes, make sure that they apply to the case you are referring to.

wah wah wah
by @ Friday, Dec. 09, 2005 at 10:30 AM

Dearest freepers and PW's alike,

Talk all you want on silly messageboards and comments sections, ramble on about bathists and Canada and loving the police and sedition and american values

Remember J20 ??????????

Stay on the interenet - its the only safe place for you my friends

Fucking Yanks!!!
by Derek janzen Saturday, Dec. 10, 2005 at 3:07 AM
catpowerfan@hotmail.com

Your comments are so out of whack !!!! Take Notice Canada is the only major western country NOT TO HAVE BEEN ATTACKED BY TERRORISTS I think that says somthing Eh!

R U Kidding!
by Joe C Monday, Dec. 12, 2005 at 5:53 AM

After repeatability watching both videos, all I have to say is, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!! The woman in the first video Is Not Restrained (unless the restraints are invisible) and she is “Non-compliant.” Taze away and please give her a jolt for me. The man in the second video is being “Passively Non-compliant” and is given, at least four warnings to move or desist his actions before he is removed and I hope arrested. Would you condone these “Protesters” actions in front or you home or place of business, I think not!!! Everyone is pro this or anti that until it disrupts their own lives or takes food off of their table. All you protesters who are “against the war but support the troops” are nothing but lying hypocrites. You Can’t Do Both! Being against the war protesting it under-minds our troops and strengthens our enemies resolve. Take it from someone who has been there, volunteered twice, our enemies do see these broadcast. And for all of you who don’t like the way the country is being run all you do is complain about the faults (or your perceived faults) in government and government employees but do nothing to "remedy" them. You don't like how police do their job - then you do it. I do, however, have a solution for you. You don't like how these people protect you? You don't like how your government acts? Since you're not willing to actually do anything about it:

O Canada!
Are Home and Native Land

FOR THE WIN
by Ventorez Sunday, Jan. 01, 2006 at 5:04 AM
thechosen9th@yahoo.com

Yeah I saw that vid I thought she was like jihad in pittsburg LOL neways yeah tahts some mad bs those cops pulled kinda makes me sad yah know? But yeah I gotta love how ppl call each other facists and liberals :/ what happened to being united as one whole as a human racee? why must we constantly discriminate each other and hate?
John Lennon is crying in his grave :( YOU MAKE JOHN LENNON SAD AMERICA! HE IS CRYING BOOOHOOHOOO!And who needs america? I mean we can always go to Rhode Island and become Peteorians in the greatest country of Peteoria.

Get over it!!!!!
by Charles Friday, Jan. 13, 2006 at 4:41 PM

The woman was fight with the police in the begaining of the clip and got tazed oh well for her(lol) and the guy was arested ofr resisting and did not get chomped by the dog lucky him.

A boy and his dog
by Dogcatcher Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 1:06 PM

Looks like the blue-clad elf Jason Lando lost his little doggie. That's pretty amazing, becaus ethey never take their dogs, but he couldn't control it.

A boy and his dog
by Dogcatcher Tuesday, Jan. 17, 2006 at 1:06 PM

Looks like the blue-clad elf Jason Lando lost his little doggie. That's pretty amazing, because they never take their dogs, but he couldn't control it.

i guess your all experts
by that guy Thursday, Jan. 26, 2006 at 10:37 PM

the reason you can all run your mouths is because people fight for your freedom, the cop had every reason to use the taser. she wouldnt have goten it if she just did what the cop said and got on her stomach. The level of force used matched the level of force presented as much as you might agree or disagree. the reason your freedom of speech is protected is because people fight for you.so those of you who are gona make an army joke, realise you cant protest if theres no army But i understand you are all use of force instructors so you all experts on this situation. and i forgot that by seeing a 20 second clip you understand the entire situation and all the sides of the story. if you kicked me in the head and i punched you in the face and you only showed me punching you and played it over and over again, i would probally look like a bad guy. You act so superior yet you use words like "pigs" and what not, if your so much better than them then why do u have to talk about them like that. go ahead and wear a vest, so when the taser doesnt work they just shoot you. you would be doing the world a favor.

ps. no military=nobody to protect the constitution=no first ammendment, i bet most of you are peta members to, so go ahead and call me names and tell me how stupid i am, you'll just prove my point

what did I see ?
by BDF Saturday, Feb. 18, 2006 at 9:59 PM

I am pretty sure a sidewalk is public property, not a place for anyone to sit and make a stupid ass statements. If he doesn't have the balls to join the Army, he should not be able to tell someone else that if they want to join that its wrong. He should have taken a five second ride on taser.

Stopping Tasers
by weeeks Friday, Feb. 24, 2006 at 10:35 PM

To stop Tasers, you need two things. One, a very thick layer to stop the probes. Two, a tin-foil suit underneath the thick layered suit to deflect the charge. Also, you need a gas mask to stop pepper-spraying. But, if both these methods fail, they will shoot you.

That's Police Brutality?
by theonejeff39 Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2006 at 10:26 PM

does anyone honestly think that the young man who was arrested was a victim of police brutality? I mean I watched the video, and they ask him to leave, he doesn't, and then they stand him up and arrest him. Oh the horrors. If y'all are so worried about this kind of shocking police craziness in america, you should see some of the former iraqi police videos that were made under saddam. I think you're mis-guided in your allegations of police brutality here but am encouraged that you must have supported removing saddam because of the real brutality he inflicted on his citizens.

Stopping Tasers
by E. Cleaver Wednesday, Mar. 01, 2006 at 12:50 PM

To stop tasers, smoke the pig first. Miltarized US police they have better body armor than the military, so focus on the groin, you're likely to get a leak that way.
It's also great that jeff 39 or whatever, chimes in with the typical half-thought that supports state violence in the US, but condemns it in Iraq, when committed by a US-backed dictator like Hussein. The current Iraqi police aren't much better, but you don't see their video. Why? There isn't a dictator on earth that hasn't been backed by the US since Idi Amin.

taser
by joe gil Saturday, Mar. 04, 2006 at 5:06 PM
joegil_3@hotmail.com

there has got to be a device out there that can reverse the charge of the taser and send it back to the sender. like a taser shield, or a protective ray or something like that. yeah

Stopping Tasers
by Bob Evans Monday, Mar. 06, 2006 at 12:58 PM

Stopping Tasers...
molotovs.jpg, image/jpeg, 457x211

These machines will stop tasers, as well as providing for a healthy breakfast. Mmmm bacon.

Stopping Tasers
by Bob Evans Monday, Mar. 06, 2006 at 12:58 PM

These machines will stop tasers, as well as providing for a healthy breakfast. Mmmm bacon.

Stopping tasers
by Taser stopper Monday, Mar. 06, 2006 at 1:00 PM

These machines will stop tasers, and can prepare a tasty breakfast. Mmmm bacon...

Stopping tasers
by Taser stopper Monday, Mar. 06, 2006 at 1:07 PM

These machines will stop tasers, and can prepare a tasty breakfast. Mmmm bacon...

Where is the whole story
by Connie Pierre Friday, Mar. 10, 2006 at 11:20 AM
ladyconster@charter.net

I have watched the videos of the lady getting a taser and the young man sitting in front of a recruiting office. It is obvious to anyone, the video camera person was part of the group of protesters as well as the same group calling the cops facists.

There is no explanation except for one sentence, which is supposed to make us pity the poor people being brutalized by the cops.

If you will notice, the gal who was tasered was not rolling over and instead of using batons the taser did make her comply didn't it?

I'm not a facist. I'm not a cop. I'm a person who will stand up for what I believe in and if I KNOW I'm right then I will take the taser zap and know I did my best. I think this group being represented would learn a little more about facisism if they were locked up as Hitler locked up the Jews and protesters of his Third Reich.

However, thankfully we are Americans and like it or not, this is the best country in the world. If a group of maybe 20 zealots don't like the war, they have the right to protest it. But when I have to walk around someone sitting on the ground or have someone in my face with pamphlets or on using private property for a cause it chaps my hide.

There are thousands of videos of the good that cops do, the lives they have saved Etc. This is not a story, this isn't an indication, this is just spoiled kids who hate cops. And in my experience, the only people who hate cops are the ones who are continually breaking the law.

Sick Twist
by Connie Pierre Friday, Mar. 10, 2006 at 11:26 AM

The person who suggested using Molatov cocktails against the police has more than one wire lose in his head. Such a person SHOULD be arrested for intent to harm a police officer.

Did it ever occur to you police hating cretins these are just people who have a job. Why did they chose law enforcement? There could be a number of reasons, good benefits, HELPING PEOPLE, getting the sick twists off the street.

Just reading his insipid comment regarding 'bacon for breakfast' shows he is no doubt the kind of person who would beat his spouse for bringing him a beer that wasn't chilled to perfection.

Get off welfare, get a life, GROW-UP and vote if you don't like the way things are going.

Jerks
by Your Mother Monday, Mar. 13, 2006 at 1:56 PM

you are insane

ha ha
by jj Wednesday, Mar. 22, 2006 at 7:39 AM
australia

get over it you losers and get a real job, maybe like a cop

jj
by pigsticker Wednesday, Mar. 22, 2006 at 12:11 PM

I guess since the aussie, jj, is descended from prostitutes and criminals, joining a narco-terror cell, such as a police force would be a goood idea.

Wake-Up!
by Blueboy Friday, Mar. 31, 2006 at 11:40 PM

I have read many of the entries on this site and I have come to realize that many of you people who are so anti-police don't understand the first thing about law enforcement or their role in society. First of all, police officers are not anti-war or pro-war or anti-abortion or pro-abortion or anti-gay or anti-anything. Police officers have merely taken an oath to serve and protect. And that means serve and protect EVERYONE. Police officers are there to ensure that laws are obeyed and rules are followed and offenders are punished. When you show up to protest whatever it is you protest, you have to realize that the police officers are there to make sure everything runs smoothly and laws are not broken. They are there for your safety and protection as much as they are there to keep you in line. If you are protesting the war or the president or abortion or the marriage amendment or whatever... you have to realize that many of the the police officers that are there hold the same beliefs are you. Don't you think that there are plenty of police officers that disagree with the war in Iraq or disagree with the president's view on a lot of issues, or perhaps feel that abortion is wrong, or feel that it is wrong to ban same sex marriages? Some of the comments on this website make it seem as if the police are the enemy! The police are just there to keep the crowds under control. The police would be there for crowd control if there were a pro-abortion rally or a pro-Bush rally and would take the same action if those crowds got out of control. Believe it or not, the police want everything to go smoothly and would much rather go home at the end of the day without having to deal with mass chaos. The police don't look forward to arresting dozens of people or fighting with protestors but rules are rules and it seems to me as though many of you don't want to abide by the rules and you want to push the police to their absolute limits... and that's when you are going to find yourselves getting tasered and bitten by K-9's and taken off to jail. Everyone has the right to PEACEABLY protest but you have to understand that even though many police officers may agree with your beliefs and even support what you are doing... they cannot and will not tolerate you breaking the law. Police officers have a job to do and you have to understand that they should not be viewed as the enemy but they should be respected. You never know when you will be in a bad situation some day and you will be on the phone with 9-1-1 screaming for that cop that you seem to think is the enemy. Just a few things to think about.

the sheep's in the meadow
by Mother Goose Monday, Apr. 03, 2006 at 11:35 AM

Little Boy Blue, your pro-cop propaganda is indeed an excellent fairytale.

Hiipy's
by Denny Thursday, Apr. 13, 2006 at 9:05 PM
browne112002@yahoo.com 412-6285156

I think it is very funny when hippies get tazered.

Funny
by Denny Thursday, Apr. 13, 2006 at 9:08 PM
browne112002@yahoo.com 4126285156

Tasered hippies are funny.

Fried Green Hippies
by George K. Saturday, Apr. 15, 2006 at 9:01 AM
dodgerambler@comcast.net

Can you imagine the stink that must have burst forth from this chicks nether regions when that taser fried her dumb ass?
I hope that the Cops toolkit included some FDS.

fuck you pussies
by Robert Farquhar Monday, Apr. 17, 2006 at 4:46 AM
rjfarquhar@msn.com Oregon

ZZZZ zzzz ZZZZ zzzzzzttttt! Ha hahhaha dont fuck with Pittsburg PD you lil tree huggin bitches HAhahaha!!!

youre an asshole
by Robert Farquhar Monday, Apr. 17, 2006 at 4:53 AM
rjfarquhar@msn.com Oregon

yeah theres a defeat for tazers, "obey lawfull commands of a peaceofficer you dipshit.

French Recipe
by Officer Down Monday, Apr. 17, 2006 at 11:06 AM

French Recipe...
bruntcops.jpg.jpeg, image/jpeg, 380x263

Our friends in France have shared a great recipe for defeating Tasers

These machines defeat Tasers...
by Officer Down Monday, Apr. 17, 2006 at 11:09 AM

...and the illiterate assholes who love them. Assholes who can't even spell 'asshole'

More on stopping tasers
by Officer Down Tuesday, Apr. 25, 2006 at 10:33 AM

Cops love under armor. You tend to sweat alot when you are overweight and have to walk up stairs or get out of your car.


BALTIMORE -- A military news Web site reported that synthetic athletic clothing containing polyester and nylon has been prohibited for Marines conducting missions away from forward operating bases and camps in Iraq.

Under direction of Marine Corps commanders in Iraq, the ban on popular clothing from companies such as Under Armour, CoolMax and Nike comes in the wake of concerns that a substantial burn risk is associated with wearing clothing made with these synthetic materials.

TheWBALChannel.com in Baltimore reported that the site -- Military.com -- says that when the clothing is exposed to extreme heat and flames, some synthetic materials such as polyester will melt and can fuse to the skin.

A military surgeon said this essentially creates a second skin and can lead to horrific, disfiguring burns.

“Burns can kill you and they’re horribly disfiguring. If you’re throwing (a melted synthetic material) on top of a burn, basically you have a bad burn with a bunch of plastic melting into your skin and that’s not how you want to go home to your family,” said Navy Capt. Lynn E. Welling, the 1st Marine Logistics Group head surgeon.

According to Tension Technology International, a company that specializes in synthetic fibers, most man-made fabrics, such as nylon, acrylic or polyester will melt when ignited and produce a hot, sticky, melted substance causing extremely severe burns.

Military.com reported Marines have been limited to wearing clothing made with these materials only while on the relatively safe forward operating bases and camps where encounters with fires and explosions are relatively low.

Baltimore-based Under Armour advertises that the fabric used to make their garments will draw perspiration from the skin to the outer layer of the clothing allowing the person wearing it to remain cool and dry in any condition or climate.

The site said servicemembers with jobs that put them at a high risk of flame exposure, such as pilots and explosive ordnance disposal personnel, were kept from wearing polyester materials because of the extra burn threat. Now, with so many encounters with IED explosions, the Marines are extending this ban to everyone going “outside the wire.”

When working in a low-risk environment where exposure to flames or intense heat is minimal, the military said the high performance apparel can be an optimal option for staying cool in the Iraq heat.

Pot calling the kettle black...
by Me Thursday, May. 04, 2006 at 12:51 AM

I hate to join the ranks of people who talk shit on the internet, but I must say that although you were able to correct the spelling of the word "asshole," the word is OBLITERATE not ILLITERATE. Illiterate means cannot read. Isn't that ironic. :)

Molotovs don't beat live gun fire
by Moonbats smell Thursday, May. 11, 2006 at 7:17 PM

They don't defeat lead flying at 800 MPH, dumbass!!!! Never bring a Molotov Cocktail to a gun fight.

If a bunch of hippies wearing black masks marched down my street with weapons, I too would get out the Pepperball guns, pepperspray, tear gas, riot shields and the Tasers.

Or do you prefer live ammo????

Stopping Molotovs
by Moonbats smell Thursday, May. 11, 2006 at 7:21 PM

Stopping Molotovs...
heckler1.jpg, image/jpeg, 470x333

Guns will stop molotovs....

Roast pork
by What's a moonbat? Friday, May. 12, 2006 at 9:23 AM

You can't shoot burning liquids, anymore than an SKS stopped napalm.
Either way it doesn't matter, since I won't be in your mom's basement, so we'll never meet.



BALTIMORE -- A military news Web site reported that synthetic athletic clothing containing polyester and nylon has been prohibited for Marines conducting missions away from forward operating bases and camps in Iraq.

Under direction of Marine Corps commanders in Iraq, the ban on popular clothing from companies such as Under Armour, CoolMax and Nike comes in the wake of concerns that a substantial burn risk is associated with wearing clothing made with these synthetic materials.

TheWBALChannel.com in Baltimore reported that the site -- Military.com -- says that when the clothing is exposed to extreme heat and flames, some synthetic materials such as polyester will melt and can fuse to the skin.

A military surgeon said this essentially creates a second skin and can lead to horrific, disfiguring burns.

“Burns can kill you and they’re horribly disfiguring. If you’re throwing (a melted synthetic material) on top of a burn, basically you have a bad burn with a bunch of plastic melting into your skin and that’s not how you want to go home to your family,” said Navy Capt. Lynn E. Welling, the 1st Marine Logistics Group head surgeon.

According to Tension Technology International, a company that specializes in synthetic fibers, most man-made fabrics, such as nylon, acrylic or polyester will melt when ignited and produce a hot, sticky, melted substance causing extremely severe burns.

Military.com reported Marines have been limited to wearing clothing made with these materials only while on the relatively safe forward operating bases and camps where encounters with fires and explosions are relatively low.

Baltimore-based Under Armour advertises that the fabric used to make their garments will draw perspiration from the skin to the outer layer of the clothing allowing the person wearing it to remain cool and dry in any condition or climate.

The site said servicemembers with jobs that put them at a high risk of flame exposure, such as pilots and explosive ordnance disposal personnel, were kept from wearing polyester materials because of the extra burn threat. Now, with so many encounters with IED explosions, the Marines are extending this ban to everyone going “outside the wire.”

When working in a low-risk environment where exposure to flames or intense heat is minimal, the military said the high performance apparel can be an optimal option for staying cool in the Iraq heat.

clip
by Zlaya Wednesday, Jul. 26, 2006 at 10:09 PM

Do you have a longer copy of the pittsburgh police tasering a woman while she is on the ground?

The current video is cut so that we can't see what led to the situation.

Please contact me @ zlaya@truthring.org if you know where i can get my hands on a copy of this video which shows the initial events.

http://www.truthring.org

Good for the Assholes
by JL Friday, Sep. 08, 2006 at 8:36 PM

What a bunch of dumb ass protesters..do what the hell your told and you dont get Tazed!!!!

Your point?
by David Anderson Sunday, Oct. 01, 2006 at 3:41 PM
philsone@hotmail.com

Without law and order there is you......you get what you deserve or ask for in this world....stand in front of a train and guess what, you get hit and die.......subscibe to anarchy and chaos and the man will put you down....try building instead of destroying.

Why?
by Coincidence Theorist Monday, Oct. 02, 2006 at 4:27 PM

Why do the folks who support State terror in the form of police violence seem to have such a hard time spelling and forming complete sentences?
Is it because they're young children, or are they really cops and are wearing stupid rainbow-hued oakley sunglasses and can't see?

Disagree and Agree
by Joeman Tuesday, Oct. 03, 2006 at 12:25 AM

Ohhhhhhhh, after reading blue boys comments and other comments I must write. I agree with Blue Boy. Police officers are there to protect everyones rights. However, if someone is breaking the law (holds up a sign that says a curse word, just an example) does not give the right of the police officer to taze, takle, punch, etc. that person. I think the risk, when protesting, is the fact that you are there. Everyone should know that something is bound to happen. So, you take the risk of being somewhere at the wrong time. If you eat bad spinach after being told it has ecoli, then it is your dumbass fault. So why would you go to a protest when you know police officers are going to be there, and then complain about getting tazed. Look, I know that in my town the police officer makes (starting) 28,000 dollars. Would a man that is extremely smart work for 28,000 dollars? NO! We hire people with a GED or High school diploma to protect us! Of course there is a requirement for Oakley Sunglasses! Go figure when the shit hits the fan and police start beating you just because. These are the people that failed to get into a good college, was on the football team but was not good enough to go to college, and wants to feel like he is king shit. Don't get me wrong there are dedicated police officers who risk there lives everyday (they are the ones on the videos going "oh shit, what did Bobby just do"....but most of them have to be told what to do like little boys. Blue Boy was wrong when he said "will be on the phone with 9-1-1 screaming for that cop that you seem to think is the enemy." I am a proud gun(s) owner, and I can and will protect myself from any man/woman that tries to harm me or my family and will not call 911 until the bad guy is dead and needs to be picked up off of my carpet. I do not advocate violence, use force only when justified. But for instance, for those police officers that took the guns away from the people in Louisiana for protecting thier property (and then the cops left the neighborhood, leaving it unprotected) after Katrina, if it was me, they would get my guns one bullet at a time, and I have a safe full! It is my right to have and carry that gun and that right should never be taken away from anyone. We must remember that we have constitutional rights and everyone must exercise them, no matter the consequences (like getting tazed). Try exercising your rights after they took the guns away..and see how far you get (slap on police wrists). We have become, as a society, so scared of our own government only a few choose to exercise our rights. The rest of us do not want to give up or Volvo's and BMW's to realize that this country is converting from freedom to facism. The same type of tyranny that this country was founded to get away from.

So the moral of this story, stop complaining about getting tazed, its a part of doing business when protesting.

But I urge all police officers to keep getting caught looking like dumbasses killing people in thier custody, tazing them for no apparent reason (now some people deserve it, dont get me wrong) and hitting people for no reason. It will only fuel the fire until our society wakes up! So keep up the good work. Its what protesters want! So it shows how dumb police officers can be....you are submitting to the protesters and giving them fuel for thier cause!

I apologize in advance for any spelling/grammar errors, as I am sure some cop who knows I am right, tries to pick at something. And to Moonbats.......My 9mm fires at 1350 ft/sec which calculates to 920.0795031055901 MPH. so it looks like mine fly faster than yours! Watch out! Now now, that was not a threat, I am joking around! We still need to have humor in todays messed up world!

All this said and done...(serouisly)..shake a police officers hand, and say Thank You! Just make sure you do not shake to hard as he may decide to taze you for resisting arrest..."oh wait was I under arrest or trying to shake your hand?"

And remember, most US citizens are stupid.....there is proof in the last election when they (the majority) voted for that dumabss president Bush!

Tootles!

P.S.
by Joeman Tuesday, Oct. 03, 2006 at 12:41 AM

P.s. I was shooting at the range the other day and two cops were shooting next to me......thier grouping sucked!

Something to keep in mind when protesting....Stand still......you have a better chance of surviving because he will probably miss.

Oh, and the ones to watch out for are the cops who wear the "SWAT Pants" on normal duty....a little over the top dont you think?......but it is funny....dont they look hilarious?!

One More thing
by Joeman Tuesday, Oct. 03, 2006 at 1:28 AM

One more thing, Moonbat said in a later post about a law that protects the reqruiting of the armed services. Just because there is a law, it does not mean that it is against the law......if that law is against your constitutional rights....therefore that law would be ILLEGAL, according to the US Constitution. You have and should have the right to protest, even againsts the armed services, and no law should infringe that!

So the State can do no wrong, huh?
by JD Tuesday, Oct. 31, 2006 at 11:29 PM

I am not opposed to upholding law and order in a civilized, sane, and Constitutional fashion. HOwever, it really scares me that people, especially in the USA, have been brainwashed enough to think that the government is always right--no matter what it decides to do and no matter what method used. Yes, if you don't "do what you're told" it appears that sadistic, bloodthirsty assholes with badges will use your non-compliance as an excuse to feed their sadistic, perverted appetites to inflict pain. But, just because they do that does not make them right. After all, might never has and never will make right, no matter what they say. I hope that the future will see the 8th Amendment enforced and the outlawing these extremely cruel electrical devices and perhaps put any cops who use these things out of a job, or better yet in jail where they belong with the rest of the violent thugs. I want everyone to know that I am seriously considering devoting my whole life to finding ways to outlaw police brutality and once again make this country a better one to live in than totalitarian countries such as China and North Korea.

Slide By
by Anonym97 Friday, Nov. 17, 2006 at 1:38 PM

I believe police play an important role in society. Without them we would be in bad shape. The night I saw some strange activity near my house at 2:00 am I called the cops and they were there within five minutes. I felt much more comfortable when they were around. Nevertheless I also think the fact that the police force is a government controlled institution makes it way too easy for them to abuse their power. It's not like the police force is going to "go out of business" if they don't do a good enough job. Therefore, they don't have as great of a motivation to do the best job they can. Maybe if the police force was a privatized institution that local governments hired...there would be healthy competition and the best police force would get the contracts. They would be forced to find that perfect balance between protecting the public and keeping them happy. Those areas that have a high crime rate would get a new police force. Those areas that have a lot of police brutality records would get a new police force. Those areas that have a low crime rate a low police brutality rate would keep the force they have. It’s that simple. Nothing motivates someone to do their job right more than the idea of not having their job the next day.

police
by Me Thursday, May. 31, 2007 at 12:40 AM
cobrar_90@hotmail.com

astronomically, the law is a vital substitutional phase for society and its well being, to get to mars we must learn more about radiation before sending a human being into such dense radiation and molecules of configuration, its quite complimentary for our interigation to lead such progress in our institutional lives, thats all i must comment, thank you for you convenience, and once one does learn more about mars, humans may spread the police force there also to accumulate social priority

Police;Good or Bad?
by J. Smith Tuesday, Jul. 24, 2007 at 5:24 PM
n/a 3012247871 Baltimore, MD

Ya know, police these days just make me MAD! I mean go 2 Youtube and search under'police brutality' and see for yourself. They beat innocent people and do illegal things. Personally, I hate cops in this country.

misinformation
by AD&A Monday, Aug. 20, 2007 at 3:35 PM
armeddrunkangry@hotmail.com

She was not restrained as listed in the title and was wearing a mask as was another person being arrested.
What do you expect to happen when you behave like a terrorist ?

Behave Like a Terrorist?
by Wikipedia Monday, Aug. 20, 2007 at 10:58 PM

"Terrorism in the modern sense is violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians for political or other ideological goals."

Or is it just good police work?

if you are going to protest...
by Ryan Saturday, Sep. 01, 2007 at 11:13 PM

If you are going to protest, then make sure that you are not violating any laws or codes. This just gives the police what they need to arrest. For instance, most cities have a code about blocking entrances, exits, and sidewalks. Additionally there are codes for obstruction of traffic and jaywalking. Be smart and use the police to protect your protest. Apply for permits and then they can't do anything. Just look at the KKK. They're reprehensible, but they use law enforcement to protect their message. BE SMART!

What you don't know is....
by R Saturday, Sep. 01, 2007 at 11:17 PM

What you don't know about most of the "brutality" videos you see on the net is what transpired just before the video. For instance, Rodney King. You see him get beat. But you don't see the part right before that where he's high on drugs and fighting multiple officers. It's not like the police randomly grab someone and beat them. There is a reason for the interaction. To avoid violence, all you have to do is comply with an officer's instructions.

"It's not like the police randomly grab someone"
by oh, really? Sunday, Sep. 02, 2007 at 6:07 PM

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/31/1436209

On the second anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, we take a look back the Danziger Bridge killings. Seven police officers been indicted for opening fire on two African American families on the Danziger Bridge days after the storm, killing two people and wounding four others. At the time, the official story was that they gunned down snipers. Now the question is why they shot at two families fleeing the flood. [includes rush transcript] The official story started floating out soon after the hurricane hit that there were snipers on the Danziger Bridge, which connects two neighborhoods flooded by the hurricane, that the police had taken them out and killed some of them. But there were other stories, too: that police had chased down and massacred innocent people fleeing the storm.

Last December seven police officers were indicted for killing two people walking across the bridge. They were from two families, the Bartholomews and the Madisons. James Brisette, a young man who was a friend of the Bartholomews was killed by seven bullets in his back and legs. Susan Bartholomew's arm was partially blown off, her daughter and husband had three gunshot wounds each. Their trial is ongoing.

Ronald Madison, a forty year-old mentally disabled man, was one of the two people killed. He was walking across the bridge with his older brother Lance when, according to police, he was shot in the back and died. Lance was initially arrested and jailed for attempting to murder the police officers. He was later released after a grand jury cleared his name.

Dr. Rommel Madison is the brother of Lance and Ronald Madison. He is a dentist and testified Thursday at the International Tribunal on Hurricane Katrina. He joins us in the Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans. We're also joined by Rosana Cruz the co-director of Safe Streets, Strong Communities a grassroots organization focused on transforming the criminal justice system in New Orleans.

* Dr. Romell Madison, dentist from New Orleans. His brother Ronald Madison was shot and killed by police on Danziger bridge five days after the hurricane.
* Rosana Cruz, long time New Orleans community activist around issues of criminal justice, labor, and immigrant rights. She was the Gulf coast field coordinator for the National Immigration Law Center and also worked with New Orleans Worker Justice Coalition. Cruz is the co-director of Safe Streets, Strong Communities, an organization campaigning for a new criminal justice system in New Orleans.

RUSH TRANSCRIPT

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AMY GOODMAN: The official story started floating out soon after the hurricane hit that there were snipers on the Danziger Bridge, which connects two neighborhoods flooded by the hurricane, that the police had taken them out and killed some of them. But there were other stories, too, that police had chased down and massacred innocent people fleeing the storm.

Last December, seven police officers were indicted for killing two people walking across the bridge. They were from two families, the Bartholomews and the Madisons. James Brisette, a young man who was a friend of the Bartholomews, was killed by seven bullets in his back and legs. Susan Bartholomew's arm was partially blown off. Her daughter and husband had three gunshot wounds each. Their trial is ongoing.

Ronald Madison, a forty-year-old mentally disabled man, was one of the two people killed. He was walking across the bridge with his older brother Lance, when, according to police, he was shot in the back and died. Lance was initially arrested and jailed for attempting to murder the police officers. He was later released after a grand jury cleared his name.

Dr. Rommel Madison is the brother of Lance and Ronald Madison. He is a dentist, and he testified this week at the International Tribunal on Hurricane Katrina that was put together by the People’s Hurricane Fund. He joins us now here in the Lower Ninth Ward. We're also joined by Rosana Cruz, the co-director of Safe Streets, Strong Communities, a grassroots organization focused on transforming the criminal justice system in New Orleans. We welcome you both to Democracy Now!

Romell Madison, you’re former president of the National Dental Association.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: Describe what happened after the hurricane. What happened to your brothers?

DR. ROMELL MADISON: OK. My brothers were seeking help to get to safety on the east side of the Danziger Bridge by officers on the west side, and it hadn’t flooded, so they had refuge there. But they didn't have food or water, so they would go to the east side, where everyone was being picked up to be brought to safety to the dome and to the Convention Center.

On the day of September 4th, there was a family at the foot of the bridge, a husband, wife, daughter, three small kids and a teenager. During that time they were on the bridge, they noticed a rental truck, a moving van-type-sized truck, about a mid-sized van. It pulled up where the family was. They exited the truck. About seven men exited the truck, and they opened fire on the family at the foot of the bridge. One individual was killed. Everyone was wounded, but one of the children. The children's ages were from fourteen to nineteen.

After seeing that, they started retreating back to the westbound side of the Danziger Bridge back toward my office again. And at that point the police officers opened fire on them. They wounded my brother Ronald in the back twice. My brother Lance was able to get him to the other side of the bridge and put him on the grass, and then he ran for help. When he did return, he was relieved to find the National Guard and the state police, and he was telling them what happened.

At that point, the police officers walked up, and then they finally disclosed that they were police, because when they originally got out of the van, they were dressed in shorts, T-shirts, just plain shirts. They never identified themselves as being police. And to see them open fire on a small group of individuals, African American individuals, at the foot of the bridge, they just figured they were out to, you know, go hunting and shooting and killing people.

AMY GOODMAN: Where were you at this time?

DR. ROMELL MADISON: OK, I was in Baton Rouge. A lot of the information that I have has been published, and it was broadcasted on TV on the news, on CNN, in the newspaper, where I have pictures that I gave to members at the tribunal so that they could show the shooting incident. A lot of this was caught on the news cameras.

AMY GOODMAN: Explain what happened to your brother Ronald, how Lance described what happened on the bridge.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: OK. At that point, when they were close to the top of the bridge, they were -- he was shot in the back twice. And then he was able to carry him over to the bottom of the other side of the bridge.

AMY GOODMAN: They just opened fire on them?

DR. ROMELL MADISON: They just opened fire on them. They didn't have any guns. At the end of the incident of shooting, there were no guns found on the scene from any other individual. Only ones that had guns were the people that came out of the van. But when my brother did get back to the scene and they arrested him, my other brother Ronald had been shot a second time. This time he was shot in the back five more times. The bullets entered the back and exited the front of his body.

AMY GOODMAN: So he's laying on the bridge.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: He's laying on the ground in front of the hotel next to my office. And there's a truck parked right there. In the picture that I showed, there's a truck, pickup truck, parked right there. He was stood up in front of that pickup truck and shot in the back five more times. It was shown on CNN. The guy testified, because he witnessed it. He said that they stood him up in front of his truck, and they lined up behind him like a firing squad and shot him again. The bullet holes are in his pickup truck, and all that was shown on CNN. So during this entire period, they’ve never denied shooting him. They were trying to get out of saying that they shot him or that the shooting was first-degree murder. Now, my --

AMY GOODMAN: What was Lance saying at the time?

DR. ROMELL MADISON: Lance was telling them that his brother was injured and needed medical attention. And they totally disregarded any request that he had. They threatened him, cursed him, and told him he’d better shut up. They didn’t -- you know, they knew at that point they already had killed my brother Ronald.

AMY GOODMAN: When he approached the guard, what did the police say when they came up behind him?

DR. ROMELL MADISON: The police? Well, the police came from the bridge, from the bridge. My brother met them before my office site, which they kind of like came together. And that's when the police told the state troopers and the National Guards that “Hold him. He's under arrest for attempted murder for shooting at the police.” And that's when they arrested him.

AMY GOODMAN: When they arrested Lance.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: That’s when they arrested Lance, yes.

AMY GOODMAN: The stories we heard as we were in New Orleans was there were snipers on the bridge, and the police had taken them out.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: No. There were no snipers. There were other witnesses that discredited that statement. There were a lot of statements that were discredited. Just all you have to do is follow the news with CNN, and you’ll see, find out what happened.

AMY GOODMAN: And ultimately, the officers were indicted.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: Yeah. Ultimately they were found -- they found out the truth through the grand jury investigation, and four of them were indicted for first-degree murder, three of them were indicted for attempted first-degree murder and second-degree murder. The murder charges stem from the killing of both my brother Ronald and James Brisette.

AMY GOODMAN: And James Brisette was the friend of the Bartholomews.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: Yes.

AMY GOODMAN: And describe what you understand at this point happened with them.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: In the description of the medical reports, the mother's arm was shot off. The daughter -- and she testified on TV on CNN that they were going to shoot her mother again, and she tried to cover her body with her body, and they shot her in the back three times. They shot the father. They shot --

AMY GOODMAN: Father in the head.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: Yes. And they shot two of the kids. Now, the ages of the kids range from fourteen to the age of nineteen, which was James Brisette. They were young kids. One of them got away and didn't get shot.

The ambulance brought the family to the hospital. They were treated. Bullets were removed. And they were released. And ’til today, they've never been charged with anything, which -- and the judge, at the hearing for my brother’s bail, asked the police about “Why haven't you charged these people, if you shot them? Otherwise, you just shot them for nothing.” And there was no response to that. They claim they didn't know where the family was. I knew where the family was. But, you know, they were -- I think they were afraid to come back and voice what happened to them at the time, but they have filed suit against the police department.

AMY GOODMAN: Rosana Cruz, you run an organization here in New Orleans, Safe Streets. How does this story fit into what you've been seeing since Hurricane Katrina?

ROSANA CRUZ: Safe Streets, Strong Communities is a membership-based organization. Among our membership are families, the Madisons and other families. The way that this fits in is that this is unfortunately just one story that represents many stories of police misconduct. And that's really putting it lightly.

What we've seen since the storm is basically a gross criminalization of people of color that certainly existed before the storm, but was laid bare and really exacerbated during this time of crisis when people turned to the police and law enforcement agencies and officials for help. And this was kind of the experience that many people have had. And so, in the months after the storm, Safe Streets went and collected testimony from different families, their experiences, like Mr. Dean, in terms of being incarcerated, and also the experiences of people who had lost loved ones or themselves experienced police brutality.

AMY GOODMAN: You also deal a great deal with immigrants. When you heard Roderick Dean's story, the story of being in the Orleans Parish Prison, the water rising above, the stories of immigrants at this time?

ROSANA CRUZ: The immigrant community historically in New Orleans has been a marginalized community, one that was geographically pushed to the edges of the city. And some of the bigger issues that they dealt with was just this complete language barrier and lack of access to information. The city didn't have any kind of set plan for folks with limited English.

Also, immediately after the storm, what we saw was large numbers of immigrants being brought into the city. In the work that Safe Streets has done in collaboration with other organizations, we've seen that both African American communities and Latino communities have experienced this level of criminalization really around work. It's really interesting that when Orleans Parish Prison was reopened, immediately employers were calling the prison and saying, “We need your guys. We need workers.” And so, the impetus there was to refill that prison as quickly as possible to provide this labor force, which has afforded historically the sheriff a great deal of patronage power. And so, you see African Americans being arrested, funneled into a prison system, being put to work through the sheriff's program. And then, at the same time, Latino workers being brought in, invited, basically, to come work, recruited to come work here. And meanwhile, law enforcement, particularly Immigration Customs Enforcement, inflated by, I want to say, over 700 new agents in the Gulf Coast. So, immediately behind them, an enforcement agency to criminalize and arrest them.

AMY GOODMAN: What do you think needs to be done now? In the case of your family, the police officers are going on trial, Dr. Madison. Your family has also sued?

DR. ROMELL MADISON: My mother and brother have. But presently, we're still faced with the uphill fight with the judicial system. OK, when the indictments were handed out to the police on December 28th of ’05, they were allowed to turn themselves in January 2nd of ’06, so that they could have this time to spend with their families.

The second thing that the judge did that I feel was incorrect was that he provided bail for first-degree murder. Nowhere in the United States is anyone provided bail for first-degree murder. These individuals were provided bail. One of the officers quit and was allowed to move to Houston, Texas, to leave the state. And that's unheard of also. They were supposed to be on house arrest, and they shouldn't have left -- he shouldn’t have gone anywhere.

Third, they were allowed to go back to work as police in the police department, which is really a tragedy to the public. They’ve fired police for second-degree battery, let alone for being charged for first-degree murder, and allowed them to come back to work as police officers.

The last thing is that the violation of the grand jury testimony, too, by giving it to the defense attorneys for the police, to allow them to find out what’s [inaudible] in it and whether it would have a means to try to have the charges dropped against their clients. Now, that is another violation of civil rights injustice, because no one's allowed to view the grand jury testimony. If that was the case, they could have let the defense attorney decide whether or not they should be charged or not.

Everything has really been the complete opposite of what should be. And finally the judge -- there was a motion for the judge to recuse himself. I don't think just because of this, but because of his air of impropriety that was given in his disclosure. So at this point, that's what we're all working on: his recusal from the case and trying to obtain a judge that will deal with everything strictly by the book and fairly.

ROSANA CRUZ: And just to clarify, the judge on this case is a close friend of the police department, has three staff members who have direct family relationships or business relationships with the defense attorneys.

AMY GOODMAN: Well, we will leave it there, but we won't leave this story alone. We will continue to follow it, even as we leave New Orleans. I want to thank you both for being with us.

DR. ROMELL MADISON: Thank you. I appreciate it.

AMY GOODMAN: Rosana Cruz with Safe Streets, Romell Madison, former president of the National Dental Association, lost his brother Ronald on the Danziger Bridge just after the hurricane hit. Two police officers -- seven police officers are now charged with murder in his and another case.

It's not like the police randomly grab someone
by It's not like the police randomly grab someon Tuesday, Sep. 04, 2007 at 3:30 PM

"It's not like the police randomly grab someone and beat them. There is a reason for the interaction"

That's right, they focus on young Black males and to a lesser extent, political opposition.
A cop is terrorist with a paycheck and uniform.

danger
by tommy Sunday, Sep. 23, 2007 at 1:38 PM
shadow05242001@yahoo.com

If you agressively attack or approach the police getting tasered is better than being shot. I have seen the video of the girl getting tasered in the thigh. Why if she is fighting for something she believes in is she hiding her face like all the rest?

Ask a stupid question
by tommy can you hear me? Tuesday, Sep. 25, 2007 at 12:01 PM

The only thing the woman in the video was approaching, was the ground.
She was already under police control when "Fat" Sam Moooo-uio, who can't see his penis, because his belly is in the way, decided he could make up for his tiny reproductive organ by "whipping out" his substitute. He should have just bought a hummer.
I think she chose to protect her identity, since there are terrorists who get a paycheck to use violence against those who stand up for what they believe.
Why do the same terrorists who use tasers dress in civilian clothing, instead of their uniforms? Doesn't that make them 'unlalwful enemy combatants', the kind that should be sent to Gitmo?

Tasers, Temperament & Physical Ability
by Bradshaw Rescola, MBA Saturday, Dec. 08, 2007 at 4:02 PM
Bshawrescola@wowway.com

Taser videos are becoming a much more prevalent image in American society. Nearly every week there is new and disturbing news or video of someone being tasered under questionable circumstances, or worse, dying after being tasered. How many people have to die before the use of tasers is no longer considered, or stated to be, non-lethal?

Even nefarious is when tasers are deployed in a grotesque display of machismo from an officer who is clearly out of shape, who has no apparent reasoning abilities, poor temperament and judgement, and who would find himself physically disadvantaged against the average man -- for this officer, the taser must be of great comfort, for he needs none of the abilities or attributes that the public expects from its police officers. Just his taser, and the endless protections of the police unions is all the sub-par officer needs to continue his career within today's law enforcement environment.

Sadly, the very few officers who operate in this manner not only tarnish the image of their fellow law enforcement officers, it also greatly diminishes the faith and confidence of the broader law-abiding public. The officers themselves begin to look like heavy-handed thugs, not the professionals that a civil society both expects and pays for.

Law abiding citizens should not expect degrees of escalation from criminals, but have every right to expect it from those who take a Constitutional Oath, and who choose a profession in law enforcement.

A profession of serving and protecting.




What???
by Tom Smith Thursday, Feb. 28, 2008 at 9:39 AM

Perhaps it is a little over kill, or perhaps not. Slightly out of context though don't you think? If you edit a video right, one can make Mother Teresa look like a street hooker. Show the before and after. It might add to the credibility of your site. If I didn't already have a good job I think I would become a cop so a could shoot people! No no wait, taz people. That looks like more fun. I just distroyed my cridibility. Now you know how your site looks to me.

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