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pgh police fire tasers at recruiting protest
by mt Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 2:27 PM

On Saturday August 20 2005 in Oakland, on Forbes Avenue in broad daylight just before noon, Pittsburgh police used tasers on protestors at a counter-recruting protest.

pgh police fire tase...
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if you haven't seen a taser in action before: the yellow weapon is a taser, it makes a loud clicking sound when fired.

taser fired
by mt Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 2:27 PM

taser fired...
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the bald-headed cop fired his taser at the crowd

pittsburgh cops out of control
by kevin Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 5:59 PM

as a participant of todays rally, i witnessed police enter the crowd of unarmed peaceful activists. they drug a girl dressed in black from the sidewalk to the street and tasered her mercilessly as she lay on the street screaming. police also released pepper spray in the vicinity of a six year old girl (one of the dissidents children)
after the childs pain eased, she asked "why are they beating people?" a child asked why she was harmed by the men who are supposed to protect her!
there are also reports (unconfirmed) of a disabled mans wheelchair being overturned by the forceful actions of cops out of control!

clubs and tasers used on unarmed civilians and chemical weapons on children

now we know who the real terrorists are
pittsburgh police

worse than saddam!!!!

me too
by ** Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 6:33 PM

I was also there and I concur with everything Kevin said. Total overreaction and completely unwarranted brutality on the part of the police. No concern for public safety, the safety of small children, oh, and no concern for the law they're supposed to be enforcing.

Can someone keep us updated on what happened to the arrestees?

No reason for harm.
by Anon Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 6:34 PM

I also was there and a few of my friends I knew were tasered and one almost was pepper sprayed. The reporters were rude as hell and pretty much shoved us out of the way so they could "get the shot!" and they treated us like puppets that were to get arrested. The cops were brutal to many of the people, and there was no need to once so ever.

Police brutality.
by ******** Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 6:38 PM

<img src="http://tinypic.com/avka5s.jpg" alt="Image hosted by TinyPic.com">

Was beat brutally to the ground and arrested.

confirmed
by Stephanie Saturday, Aug. 20, 2005 at 8:50 PM
tondemonaii@yahoo.com

I confirm that I saw the man on the wheelchair knocked over by police in the chaos that went on today and say the two young children coughing and tearing from the pepper spray.

Trigger-ready cops
by Steve Librinsky Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 12:51 AM
774905

Pigs look for any reason to use force, release their personal frustrations and hatred for those who don't listen to them.
They don't serve the community, they serve their own need for power and control.

hmm, yeah but
by sw Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 2:33 AM

Even worse, they serve the interests of the corporate power structure.

As for the abuse, why would anyone think that such things were isolated to just Guantanemo and Abu Gharaib? Of course they'll do it to their own citizens. Yet still some still refuse to consider the probability that the 9/11 attacks were engineered by our own government. I don't understand what is so hard to fathom about that. If the police will pepper spray babies, what makes you think those in the upper echelons wouldn't orchestrate something as horrific as an attack on its own people?
Sorry for the tangent, but I'm sick of smart people not connecting the necessary dots.

confirmation
by more helpful that a cop Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 2:57 AM

It happened so quickly, that while i can not say for sure if it was the police themselves who overturned the man in his wheelchair, or if his chair tipped as a result of the chaos that ensued as a result of the police brutality. i can confirm that a man in a wheelchair was toppled over, and, not too suprisingly, he was assisted back into an upright position by the people on the sidewalks, not "Pittsburgh's finest".

just who broke the law?
by Jim Carroll Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 6:59 AM

Tasered peaceful protesters? What a bunch of crap. When have anarchists ever been "peacefull".

The woman refused to follow police orders to disperse. She got what she deserved.

Why this war anyway?
by Bert Copley Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 8:33 AM

The individuals who have been stepping forward to the lines of injustice have been doing great work. The legality of this war is very questionable and I wonder why we truly needed it anyway? There are many motives when you make an action, right? Why did the Bush Administration and the UK tell lies in order to orchestrate a war where more civilians would be lured into a national service training program, such as the army? What is really at stake in the next century? What are they not telling us?

I commend these courageous citizens for elucidating questions like these. I especially tip the hat to those who practice non-violent civil disobedience and concientious objection. Why this war anyway?

Out of control?
by Gus Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 10:02 AM

The Pittsburgh cops were out of control? It is possible they are following directives from higher up, because they know that the non-permitted antiwar march was trying to take things further. The police are political, don't forget. And this isn't the first time the Pittsburgh cops have attacked radical events. It's possible that their violent behavior yesterday was preplanned and has support all the way up their hierarchy.

re: who broke the law
by whitness Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 11:11 AM

actually, the tasers were used before an order to disperse was given, they were also used without warning

scary
by Nathan Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 2:02 PM

You scare me. Simply because she didn't automatically disperse at the command of the states bullying henchmen, you say she deserved to get bitten. I bet you'd fare pretty well in 1930's Germany. Can police not differentiate between an elderly woman that will do no harm and a thug that would openly attempt to harm an officer. Come on. Seems people like you don't have anything better to do than incite your aggressive attitude in support of the state "for order's sake". You probably stole kids lunch money on the playground when you were a kid too, huh?

scary
by Nathan Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 2:05 PM

You scare me. Simply because she didn't automatically disperse at the command of the states bullying henchmen, you say she deserved to get bitten. I bet you'd fare pretty well in 1930's Germany. Can police not differentiate between an elderly woman that will do no harm and a thug that would openly attempt to harm an officer. Come on. Seems people like you don't have anything better to do than incite your aggressive attitude in support of the state "for order's sake". You probably stole kids lunch money on the playground when you were a kid too, huh?

Keep Protesting the Occupation
by Rambler Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 3:44 PM

Protestors in Pgh. should continue to organize demonstrations against the occupation of Iraq. There is a dearth of demonstrations nationwide because ignorantamericans refuse to put down the remote & seek alternative sources of information regarding the illegal & immoral invasion of Iraq. I commend those who marched, & I hope that more people will march w/ the protestors.
In addition, more time should be spent on presenting speakers to the Pgh. area who have dissented from the Bush warmongering line of propaganda. Greg Palast,Ralph Nader, Amy Goodman--we of Activist San Diego have organized events for speakers like these. Maxine Waters is coming next. Keep going. Don't stop.

Screen a Movie
by Ramber Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 3:51 PM

Activist San Diego recently screened a movie regarding the 9/11 tragedy in which the events are scrutinized very closely. You can get an uncopyrighted copy of "Confronting the Evidence: A Call to Reopen the 9-11 Investigation by contacting jwalter@walden3.org. Burn copies of the movie & sell them for about 7-10 bucks each or 2 for fifteen. The CD contains about 3 hours of information.
Go! Go! Go!

ASD Rambler

What are you thinking?
by Ghettocop Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 4:01 PM

What are people thinking? Does anyone really beleive a police officer wants to hurt people for fun? I have been a police officer most my adult life, and I don't know anyone that likes using force. Farthur more, I have been in the military as a reservist the majority of the time as well. The Military is a great way for young adults to grow up and become productive. I have never been lied to by a recruiter and the military has severe punishment for recruiters that are caught lying or misleading recruits.

How much force to arrest old lady?
by Nik Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 4:41 PM
also@nikmills.com

Cops might to want to hurt anyone but it's seems like plenty do. It must be a challenging job at times trying to subdue a crowd but how much force is needed to arrest an old lady? A dog? You need a trained dog? The handler lets the dog bite a 68 year old lady? Am I reading this right?

This is all trickle down inhumanity from the top. Bubble boy and the whole junta need outta here before we take our old enemy's (the evil empire) place as a police state.

NO Pictures on Faux
by Cassie Reynolds Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 4:42 PM

Your web site is the only one with pictures so far. Why doesn't Faux news pittsburg even mention the story?

FACTS YOU FAILED TO MENTION
by ANGRY AMERICAN Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 6:47 PM
angryamerican@usa.com 987-765-4321

Your opinion on whether the protesters were brutalized is somewhat biased!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166312,00.html

You failed to mention that the protest was "unauthorized" and that the crowd was "told to disperse, peacefully disperse, and failed to do so".

What you were doing was breaking the law, and if you fail to comply with laws, then you pay the consequences.

Besides, what good did it do to protest in front of a recruiting station while it was closed - duh! Sunday!

What you are trying to do, is hinder our efforts in the war on terror, what at one time would have been considered treason!

God Bless our soldiers - those whom sacrifice their lives so you, the Iraqis, or whomever, protect the freedom to protest!

sunday?
by rachel Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 7:22 PM

the protest was on saturday. not sunday.

maybe you should know what you're talking about before you start talking/typing.

Analogy in Pittsburgh
by Louis Alt Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 8:15 PM
alteregos@msn.com Union, NJ

Complete the analogy:
Kent State was to Nixon as Pittsburgh will be to___________
A. George W. Bush
B. George W. Bush and Henchman Rick Santorum

Let us hope that this violence against innocent American citizens is the beginning of the end for Neocon Republicanism.

Sue the Pittsburgh Police Dept.
by The Nudge Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 8:39 PM

Don't just defend yourselves in the courts, use the judicial system to ensure that police brutality leads to massive financial consequences for the Pittsburgh police force. One bald police officer on a middle age potbellied rage trip has in his hand a Tazer, given to him by the Pittsburgh PD. If this is what's happening in America, with cameras running, imagine what happens elsewhere.

The militarized right is sick. Non-violent dissent is patriotic and necessary for reforming the direction this country is taking.

what law?
by Professor Eng Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:24 PM

What law does the US have that prevents protests on sidewalks? Do you not have freedom of speech any longer? What are your soilders fighting for if you can't protest without government permission?

If your soliders are fighting for "democracy" overseas perhaps you should bring them home to fight the loss of your constitional rights.

You poor, ignorant, angry American
by annodomini Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:38 PM

No wonder you are so confused! You listen to Faux News. You can't be blamed for not knowing that no permits are required for protests staged on sidewalks. Permits are required for marches on streets, not on sidewalks. That's right--NO PERMITS REQUIRED HERE!!! This protest was totally legal--and necessary. These protestors were simply exercising their constitutionally protected right to dissent. My sister is in Iraq, and I support her and all her fellow soldiers by demanding that they not be forced to participate any longer in this illegal war. If you were living in Nazi Germany, would you have supported the Nazi troops by supporting their involvement in illegal aggression against their neighbors? Bush lied to the American people when he invaded Iraq in a preemptive strike; Hitler also invaded preemptively. How is it patriotic to follow Bush blindly when he can't even answer Cindy Sheehan's simple question--what "noble cause" are our soldiers dying for? Angry American, if you support Bush's war, why aren't you in Iraq, and are you encouraging your loved ones to enlist? If all the Angry Americans who support Bush volunteered to fight in Iraq, there would be no recruitment problem. This protest would not even be an issue; there would be no need for the aggressive recruitment tactics used by the military now.

To Angry American
by bensil Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 9:38 PM
bensil34@yahoo.com

You should never use the words "facts" and "Fox News" in the same sentence, but doing so shows how much you care about learning the truth. FYI, nobody broke any laws; if you're on the sidewalk you can peacefully demonstrate without a permit. The protesters called the recruiting office before they came, and the recruiters had closed the office and left, as they had on a previous occasion. Nobody is hindering the war on terror, since there can be no such thing. If you want a better definition of treason, just take a hard look at Karl Rove. And I fully support your right to be an idiot.

Pigs
by Vic Anderson Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 10:01 PM

Pigsburgh...

Pigs
by Vic Anderson Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 10:03 PM

... join St.Piggersburg, Florida!

NOT Our War
by Larry Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 10:10 PM


In the first place this is NOT our war. Bush was lied to and deceived by false intelligence by the jews over WMDs.
His high level cabinet is made up of mostly jews as advisors.
That's what got this mess started. When WMDs were not found, it was time to leave and face the fact that he had been suckered.
When one digs himself into a hole and gets caught, he should STOP digging.


http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/bushlist.htm

http://www.nogw.com/warforisrael.html

status quo?
by Robert Sunday, Aug. 21, 2005 at 11:50 PM
robertmilby@hotmail.com

If, since I was not present at the assembly of protestors,
there was police brutality toward those civilians gathered, and there is no redress for the over-zealous actions of the police, it is justification for further abuses at rallies throughout the country. It appears that the police officers present have not studied and applied knowledge gained from examination of the United States Constitution, Bill of Rights and US history. When law enforcement officials abuse citizens in the US and people from other countries hear of it, it is remembered.
If Americans do not speak out against civil and human rights abuses in their own country, how could they justify concern for democracy and freedom in Iraq?

Who said they were anarchists?
by peggy Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:10 AM

Unbelievable. You say that someone who is peacefully protesting is an anarchist...and thus apparently in your eyes has no rights?! What garbage. The police have no right to use force on someone unless they are actaully being endangered themselves. Give me a break. This is allegedly the US where we have rights. Oh, yeah, this is the 4th Reich, I forgot...

police abuse
by kate bates Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:48 AM
katbates@netscape.com

This is an illegal, immoral war. The war has not made America more secure actually the opposite has resulted. The Pittsburgh police have given the city a black eye with their out of control, overzealous use of force.
And then they lie about it.

Sweet
by some one Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:55 AM

It always gives me a hard on when at stupid liberal gets shot, to bad it was only a taser, I wish they used an .22, sweet dead hippie.

die hippies

LOL
by military and proud of it Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 7:27 AM

This is hilarious!!! The anarchists (yes - everyone fails to mention WHO is doing this - here is the site:

http://www.organizepittsburgh.org/

I love it that they protested a place that was CLOSED... they must really do a lot of homework. I guess they don't have the guts to really confront someone when they are there working. Nor did they get a permit to organize a rally (check the law morons... - oh, I forgot - they are anarchists - they don't BELIEVE in laws).

When ordered to leave for not having a permit... they were dealt with as appropriate. Notice the fist the figures with black masks (anarchists) is making toward the cop??? Striking a peace officer? That's illegal too.

Why do they wear black masks? Are they embarrassed by their actions? I bet there will be replies of "I don't want the 'MAN' knowing who I was so they could come and kill my family"... LOL

This was great... wish I was there to watch it in person...

video
by military still Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 9:45 AM

notice the chant ('off the pigs') they are giving while the masked figure who doesn't know how to obey lawful orders get's what is coming to her. She continued to disobey and wonders why she was being restrained? Too thick a skull methinks.

http://media.putfile.com/moonbat_taser_final

I wonder how much of this was just against the President as pure hatred as actually against the war. From their website, I seen nothing about protests against Clinton when he bombed the Balkans or had us in Solmalia. Only protests against President Bush... hmmmmmm - a bit of a political agenda here? For peace my ass.... they just want to hate our President.





..
by .. Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 10:12 AM

Hey idiot military guy, the place was shutd down BECAUSE of the march. This really isn't complicated. The recruiting station is supposed to be open from 9-2pm on Saturdays and they closed because they are afraid of attention being focused on them and thier actions.

1 day a year?
by military Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 10:35 AM

You shut them down 1 day in a year? LOL

Priceless... wonder if all that voltage went to someone's head.

Wonder if I could make a credit card commercial...

$20 for black face cover
$75 for fines for failing to obey law
$120 for hospital bills from taser

shutdown a recruiting station 1 day in a year....

Priceless... LOL


Notice how no one argues any other points I made... they can only say they shut them down... which I doubt is true...

seems you missed the point
by left coast canuck Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:00 AM

Wow. Sickening. Nice work inserting real life into a CC commercial template bozo.
I don't think those protesters were trying to shut down a recruitment centre - I think they were publically voicing their opinion. Which by the way, has been amplified by the brutal and unjustified action of the police - so much so that the story has made it all the over here to the left coast of the continent. If one less naive young person joins the military, then they have acompished something
Don't worry, there is still hope - you have the capacity ot learn, you just have to try.
If this were truly a war on terror, you guys would have to bomb your police station now too.....

Remember...
by Mod Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:04 AM

Don't feed the trolls.

left coast canuck
by a. Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:12 AM

My bad.

My heart goes out to your city.

left - read their website
by military (still proud) Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:25 AM

You might want to review their website and what their true objective WAS:

Pittsburgh: Aug 20 Shutdown Military Recruitment
Aug. 20th, Pittsburgh- Confront the War, Shutdown Military Recruitment
POG Call for day of Action against the war and military recruitment!

I love this from their site:

<snip>POG calls for a non-violent day of direct action on August 20th to shutdown military recruitment in Pittsburgh. We support a diversity of tactics for this day of action. By this we mean we encourage and support any and all non-violent actions (whether symbolic, direct, passive, confrontational, etc.) taken to expose, confront, and disrupt the war machine and military recruitment in Pittsburgh. <snip>

disrupt the war machine? I read that as sedition...


Troll??? How am I a troll on a public forum??? Didn't realize this website was for left leaning liberal voices only...

american values
by nerf Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:29 AM

" disrupt the war machine? I read that as sedition... "

so, apparently, you equate your country with war. war is the ultimate expression of all that is good and noble about your nation? judicial due process can go. so can social services. but war? don't touch war, that's what makes us what we are.

anyone who thinks peace = sedition isn't someone whose opinion matters much anyway.

read your bloody history. every freedom you have is indeed thanks to dissidents and in spite of war.

Don't you hippies know?
by Urban Guerrilla Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:39 AM

Like Bush said: "If you aren't with us, you are against us" Of course it's wrong to reject nationalism! USA Uber Alles! YAY! War is life! YAY! We live in Oceania.

Peaceful Dissenters
by Alexander Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 12:16 PM

Notice how the fake peace-keepers don't bother the camera men. The fake peace-keepers usually are yelling, "turn off the camera".

Stay cool, calm, and level headed, Peaceful Dissenters. The bastards are hoping for justification for their use of violence against the Protecters of the United States of America's Constitution, The Peaceful Dissenters, You, The Protesters, The Activists.

It looks like the police couldn't make an arrest till they had him off the sidewalk and in the street. It is clear, that the taser was aimed at her genitals. It good that the fake peace-keeper has lousy aim.

Every one of these peaceful dissenters deserve many thanks from every American, even the bush supporter, the sheeple. They risk injury and fatality in the name of protecting the Constitution of the United Stated of America from its domestic threat, the shredding machines in our government and the political shredding machines in DC.

Chii

What Bush Said!!!?
by Mt.Lebonite Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 1:56 PM

Bush says alot of things like...
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
- Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
He doesn't know his up from down, as much as these cops don't know their right from wrong. Try reading your history books, do you know why USA started, or what it means to be patrtiotic!? Perhaps a primitive relation like gorilla is appropriate for you!

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." -- President Theodore Roosevelt

Mt. Lebonite moron,
by Urban Guerilla Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:05 PM

Can you not detect the sarcasm in my post?

More for Mt. Lebo
by U.G. Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:08 PM

Not to mention my 1984 references. Don't YOU read???

best video i've ever seen
by protesterssuck.com Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:17 PM

I saw the video on the news Saturday night. I laughed and laughed.............
It was the best damn video I've ever seen!!!!! I taped it and watch it several times an hour. Watching that girl lying on the ground, screaming and squirming, just warms my heart! She got what she deserved. The only thing that would make the video better is if the cop was using a real gun instead of a taser!!!!

great video
by protesterssuck.com Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:18 PM

I saw the video on the news Saturday night. I laughed and laughed.............
It was the best damn video I've ever seen!!!!! I taped it and watch it several times an hour. Watching that girl lying on the ground, screaming and squirming, just warms my heart! She got what she deserved. The only thing that would make the video better is if the cop was using a real gun instead of a taser!!!!

taser
by get a life prptestors Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:34 PM

Maybe next time they'll be shot with a 44 instead.

your psycho
by texan cowgirl for peace Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 2:53 PM

what the hell is wrong with u!!wow, your really have a serious mental disorder-getting pleasure out of watching these takes over and over again. i'll keep my pets away from u-thank u very much!!!

please keep your pets away
by protesterssuck.com Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 3:52 PM

if by pets i hope you mean those freaks dressed up for the faux protest, then by all means keep them away from all of us. don't you long haired hippy freaks understand that your irrelevant. you go out for an hour and stir up trouble and accomplish nothing. except of course getting your stupid heads smacked by the real heroes who the majority of us support 100%. VIVA LA PITTSBURGH POLICE!

'till it's *you* getting beaten
by stormer Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 7:52 PM

Apparently this site is visited by hawks who seem to find this amusing.

For the hawks: We'll see if your opinion changes when they're beating on you. Don't think they won't. There is plenty of time for you to end up on the opposite side of popular politics. When that happens, you'll notice that the "dipserse" orders are in direct conflict with surrounding officers that won't let you leave. If you're lucky, you'll get medical attention and a potty break after they bust your nose, lite you up with sparks and lock you in the wagon for half a day.

Cops: Sick individuals like the "officer" with the tazer need to be immediately prosecuted and removed from the force. By your repeated decisions to turn a blind eye to thugs in the force, you leave much of the community no choice but to generalize all cops as bad cops. I continue to deeply disrespect and distrust all of you in fearful silence for this cowardice and brutality. A girl? Again? (I remember the South Side brutality, don't you?) You apparently have the power to get away with anthing. I can only hope for a day when this city has decided the horseplay is over for you and starts taking real action. Keep pushing, and it may come sooner than later.

For the record, we've got pictures, we've got video, we've got heart and we've got truth. When this war finally ends, there will be so many who don't have any of the above. They'll be stammering on the radio trying to defend their actions, or perhaps altogether denying them in much the same way they deny the truth that goes on around them. Sad, sorry individuals they are.

Boston Tea Party Was Unauthorized
by Libido Bandido Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 9:04 PM
P.O.Box 53 Unionville, IN 47468


Dear AngryAmerican,
The "Boston Tea Party" was an "unauthorized demonstration".

Libido Bandido

Oooh
by SqueakyRat Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 9:31 PM

Sedition, my, my.

i
by i Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 9:40 PM

"For the hawks: We'll see if your opinion changes when they're beating on you."

Well the next time I'm walking down the middle of the street disobeying police orders I'd expect to get my ass kicked. Been there done that, learned my lesson. This isn't about 'hawks' this is about spoiled little shitbirds showin off for their friends.

pick up a gun and go
by MJ Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 10:47 PM
musermj@aol.com

for all of you nut jobs that think it is funny for the police to brutalize dissenters and that Bush's war is such a wonderful thing I say go to the recruiting station and sign up or shut up otherwise . Go to Iraq and get your ass blown away or contaminated from depleted uranium. then don't cry when the US government turns it 's back on you and you end up homeless with mental health issues and no decent health care.Again I say sign up or shut up.

"Peaceful??" Typical Libby Behavior
by LallyG Monday, Aug. 22, 2005 at 11:48 PM

Doesn't sound like the protesters were behaving peacefully, but that is typical of the leftist moonbats! They use violence to force their opinions on a person because they cannot debate like adults.

Bushbot Chickenhawks; All bark and no bite
by mondo Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 12:42 AM
irishthug@gmail.com

Man, you fuckin Bushbots are too f'in much. Get a clue fuckin losers. You have Pat Robertson, a preacher, calling for the assassination of Valenzuela's democratically elected president. You have morons on Fox News that lie their ass off to you constantly. I never thought I would see the day that Americans would get so fuckin ignorant. Wake up losers, 61% of the people are against this war. And Bush's job rating is at 36%. That's lower than Nixon during the height of Watergate.

another day in teh empire
by derek Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 12:46 AM

First of all, dont let trolls get to you. Eventually, they get bored and go back to their mommies teat.

Secondly, I juste finished watching the footage of the Utah rave that was invaded and have to ask the question: How are we any different from the Soviet Union? As a kid , we were brainwashed into believing that what made us better is that we had rights that the commies didnt.

I wasnt born during the vietnam war but ffamily members tell me that they never thought that we would go back to the ol days.

Except now the police is armed like soldiers and taking it out even more.

Political dissent is only news when its some chinese dude in front of a tank.

Ill say the same thing I said when the government was raiding dying cancer patients because they smoked pot:

This is a sad country.

This is a sad country
by Taser International Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 1:28 AM

Yeah, but it gets better everytime a protesting lib gets tasered in public.

This is an obscenity
by Joan Conley Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:41 AM
j_conley@verizon.net

What will it take for people to wake up and really see that our liberties are being eroded day by day? The people involved in this protest are not the nebulous
THEM. They are not other, they are not objects. They are our brothers and sisters and husbands and wives and children and grandchildren. Freedom is not free and speaking out against injustice performed by our government is not unpatriotic it's the most patriotic thing there is. She Pittsburgh police department should be ashamed. They had better learn and teach themselves that violence against used against non-violent demonstrators only brings heartbreak. They repeat history to the detriment of us all.

Using a taser is peaceful?
by stop_terror Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 5:21 AM

It's strange how the blame shifts from the cops using tasers on restrained citizens to the citizens themselves. I guess if your opinion differs from LallyG Monday or protesterssuck.com than assault and torture are well a part of law and order.

How is using a taser peaceful?
by stop_terror Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 5:22 AM

It's strange how the blame shifts from the cops using tasers on restrained citizens to the citizens themselves. I guess if your opinion differs from LallyG Monday or protesterssuck.com than assault and torture are well a part of law and order.

re: this is a sad country
by eichler1 Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 5:28 AM

What is going through the minds of you who encourage employees of the government (police) to inflict brutal pain (via Tasers) or even death (via gunshots) against people who are expressing political views? It is no mystery who programs you to be hostile toward those expressing liberal or left-of-center viewpoints (corporate media, AM radio blowhards, etc.). Have stopped to think (yes, actually use your brain! Imagine!) about the source of this hostility? Did Mama favor one of your siblings and you just never got over it? Can you convince anyone that you are not reduced to childish fantasies of violence against leftists because you know that if you actually argued policy with them, you'd come up the loser? Thought so...

Left leaning?
by stop_terror Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 5:36 AM

The left has had its share of militaries too. People opposed to military aren't necessarily on the left. The majority of people in the United States deeply oppose institutionalized violence. Especially after 9/11.

response to taser inter
by stop_terror Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 5:41 AM

"Yeah, but it gets better everytime a protesting lib gets tasered in public."

Notice how the apologists start to resort to barbaric rational. The very kind that they claim to be aginst.

I have been there
by military Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 7:17 AM

Mondo and MJ,

I am still in the military... volunteered to go to Iraq. Until you go yourself - it's difficult for you to grasp what is actually going on there - especially by only watching CNN. I would see things firsthand, then 10 minutes later watch CNN broadcast it - although completely different and edited. We have done so much good in Iraq - but the press doesn't print that stuff (not good for sales).

When you get a set... stop on over to Iraq and see how the world really works... and not just what Crescent News Network feeds you.

When you do a tour - come back and we can have a rational discussion. I'm willing to bet your views would be radically changed... but then again - that's probably why you won't go - because you would have to admit you are wrong and things aren't like they teach you in college.

Oh - and GWB's ratings? Depends on the newssource. I have documents on how CNN and other left leaning news sources have been polling democrats 60% or more and OF COURSE have lower ratings of GWB. Ask them to do a fair poll... I have seen others much higher (48-50%).

One last thing - why has no one answered me on why the perps here wear black masks to conceal their identity? At least I show my face at protests - as I believe in what we are doing. Also - why didn't POG denounce or protest when Clinton used military force? Hmmmm... you guys forgot about that... but of course it doesn't matter. War is immoral - unless a democrat is President...

Food for thought... but again - very little discussion going on here... None of my points have been countered (at least intelligently). I was hoping for some type of intellectual disucssion here... but I see it's not feasible.

Seen it all twice
by Xenophon Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 8:13 AM
rmb173rd@yahoo.com

I've been over there twice now, once to Iraq and now to Afghanistan. And this guy is right: your views would completely change if you saw the places and the people yourself. I spent a week guarding, day and night, a woman who wanted to register her name to be put on the ballet in her town near Kandahar. Many male members of her community wanted her dead. She was not killed, she did not win. But if she had been elected she would have be killed within a few months. Now she just suffers vague harrassment from the other women in town and total avoidance of the men. She not on good terms with her family. I see the bravest element in that society rise up and try to change things. The best my soldiers and I can do is prevent her from being brutally murdered by Islamists that will protect traditional society with the gun and the sword. For her to live, her dreams will have to die. Her face will disappear back into the obscurity of the Burqua.
Every one againist this war is against it for the wrong reasons. Likewise, those for it, can only make the weakest attempts at explaining the real reasons the war should be supported. They barely have a grasp of there own concepts.
No one worry, Iran is safe.....No One is that stupid.

re: I have been there
by bystander Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 9:23 AM

Dear military guy,

To give some sort of answers to your questions...

- I believe the reasons for the masks are two-fold.
One: They are SOME sort of protection for being pepper sprayed. If someone is sprayed and the mask absorbs it, it can be removed to cause less harm.
Two: You are right: it is an identity concealing tactic. It is not uncommon for people who take part in these actions to face some sort of retribution/repression after taking part in an action...regardless of the tactics (peaceful or militant)used.

As to the other question about POG not doing anything about Clinton's actions; POG was not formed until the second Bush's (GW) administration. I think the site says they formed in 2004.

I hope this helps.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but personal attacks are not warranted.

Pigs
by ATT Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 10:43 AM

The function of the police is not to serve and protect. Security and vigilance are secundary tasks. Historically, they are to protect the rich and filthy, repressing workers, keeping safe the status quo. They are guardian dogs safeguarding the capital system. What happened in Pitt is sad. We have to keep on fighting against the war and recruitment although we begin a little war here!!!

Shame on you, pigs!

you are dead wrong
by Bruce Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 10:53 AM

You should actually talk to a protester next time you see one. Most POG or other leftists would probably tell you they have no faith in the american bi-partisan political establishment currently in place. They seek radical change in this country, and nothing will improve if we appeal to the protectors of the rich. dem and rep. both do just that. They are the same in how they rely on the "feelings and the purses of the bourgeous..." c.m. I thought it was amusing that you suspected that some of the protestors there on Sat. would have had a single good thing to say about Clinton. OBviously you never spoke with them on what they feel about american big gov't and the role we play in international affairs. Granted, the dems are more intellectual and intelligent and don't seek war. THey try to prevent it. BUt they are no diff. from the right as far as protecting amer. business interests at home and abroad. LIberals may have liked old Bill. BUt no leftist, you'll discover, would have any respect for their hypocrisy.

Little Did I Know
by Bruce Krane Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 11:06 AM
bkrane@fyi.net

LITTLE DID I KNOW


Last week I tried to bring attention to the grieving and heroic Cindy Sheehan, whose son’s return trip from Iraq was in a coffin. As an example of how some Americans were taking the high road and standing for decency and compassion I shared with you the uplifting example of my sister’s experience at a peace vigil in Northern California. Of particular note was the sense of community shared by the Police Department and those they were sworn to protect.

Over the weekend the darker side of reality really bit hard right here in Pittsburgh.

On Saturday, August 20, 2005, the City of Pittsburgh Police Department wantonly attacked a group of anti-war protestors in front of a closed military recruiting office near the University of Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh’s Oakland district. Apparently, an overly aggressive Fox cameraman triggered an incident with a demonstrator. As a result, the police went berserk and randomly went after demonstrators in the crowd. The results were sickening – one five foot tall young female, who was already subdued by three burly cops, was then tortured - the police chose to spray chemicals in her eyes before they had some real fun and “tasered” her with as much electricity as possible– she then had to rushed to the emergency room at the nearest hospital. A 68 year-old grandmother who was guilty of standing on a public sidewalk was assaulted and viciously bitten by a police dog. Amidst the deplorable police behavior, pepper spry ended up in the eyes of a six-year old little girl. Uninvolved passersby were uniformly appalled at what they observed.

I couldn’t tell if it was just a bad example of our tax dollars at work or, more poignantly, an accurate metaphor for President George Bush’s foreign policy.

Oh, and by the way, one of my own sons also felt the short end of the stick and was dragged off to jail with a list of charges about as truthful as George Bush’s reasons for taking us to war in the first place.

Look For Me At The Next Anti-War Rally!
Bruce Krane


Don't Feed The Trolls - Ignore
by Scott Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 11:28 AM

This is from wikipedia:
Troll food refers to replies to the original controversial troll posts, that the trolls subsequently use as feedback to throw more fuel to the fire of their posts.

"Please do not feed the Trolls" is a warning sign that other article readers post to warn newbies that they believe the original poster is a troll.

One virtue of the concept of "trolls" is that it reduces an abstract code of manners into an unforgettable image, that of a "troll." A reminder to users to behave courteously may not sink in (and indeed may invite users to "correct" one another's manners, provoking more conflict). A phrase like "don't feed the trolls" -- reductive as it might seem -- effectively communicates a few basic norms of Internet conduct (don't escalate, remember that some posts can be ignored) in a way that is immediately comprehensible and effective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Also:
Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting. A flame is typically not intended to be constructive, to further clarify a discussion, or to persuade other people. The motive for flaming is often not dialectic, but rather social or psychological. Sometimes, flamers are attempting to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority. Occasionally, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they are trolls. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamewar

Indymedia is truely a great thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indymedia
Let's keep it that way - the trolls will go away if we stop feeding them.

Shitbirds???
by dazed in pa Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 1:37 PM
Pennsylvania

Shitbirds? You think you're so smart and the best you can come up with is Shitbirds? Geez. I call my dogs that. And they were on the sidewalk until attacked, Bozo.

Here's an idea
by John Kerry Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 1:51 PM
weneedarealcandidate@dems.org

get a permit!!! Then you'll be catered to like good socialists in Pittsburgh.

Food for non-trolls
by just me Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 2:31 PM

I agree with the person who said "don't feed the trolls." It's interesting to read these comments and to find how often the bigoted and hostile comments are correlated with misspellings and grammatical errors. Clearly, this makes sense, these are not particularly intelligent, well-informed people. I am aware that you can be of average intellect and ability and yet still be able to understand that this governent and this war are unjustified and are founded in corruption.
I am glad that the majority of this country is finally waking up from the whatever "tax-break" spell that Bush and his cronies put on them and finally seeing that this war is wrong and always was. My only question is how come people didn't question it at the beginning? I knew back in 2000 that if Bush Jr got into office we would be at war with Iraq..well before 9/11 occurred. Come on, didn't you all know this too? It's not a big leap - Bush Sr.....Bush Jr....oil oil oil oil...I think Bush Sr. would've had us invade Iraq and usurp Saddam if he thought he could get us all behind him...so Bush Jr. learned he needed to get us all behind him and how better to do that than incyte fear in us...(by the way, that's what the definition of a terrorist is...someone who wants to incyte fear)....so either he was in cohorts with Bin Laden (which I know there's some evidence that they were buddies of some sort, at least their families - also remember the timeliness of Bin laden's last tape release - right before the election last year?) or the adminstration just down-played the threat and just let 9/11 happen.
I'm so tired of the mass ignorance that this country suffers from. Come on people....wake up and question EVERYTHING!

forgot to comment on police behavior
by just me again Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 3:03 PM

This is my second comment in a row, and I've never commented on these things before. Just trying to convey that this is of significance to me.

I usually dislike the police. I realize not all cops are equal. I want to add that this incident seems like another example of why I dislike the police, in general. I think they are yet another group of people that truly demonstrate how the more people in a group, the dumber the group behaves, in general. (I realize this could be said of the demonstrators, too, but I don't intend it to. However, I was not there.) I would not have been even a peaceful, non-violent, civil disobedient protestor (I would not have been violent, either, don't get confused.) I am terrified of stupid people with power, which is generally how I think of the police. Yes, fear also works on me. I am terrified of being arrested. I've been there and it was one of the worst experiences of my life. It is a fallacy that this country purports that "you are innocent until proven guilty". In the eyes of the cops (in general), you are guilty. I see that there are cops leaving messages on this forum. I wonder, how many courses in psychology and sociology did you have in your education? I realize that cops are not trained to be understanding, to be able to see the shades of gray of an issue. They are trained to be like robots who follow orders and have very little feelings about it. This is very similar to the military. They (the governement) don't want you (military/police officers) to be all that smart, only smart enough to get the job done without asking questions. They don't want you to talk back, they don't want you to think for yourself.
This is where the problem lies, cause these are the people we have protecting us. If they can't see both sides of an issue, if they can't understand that not every law-breaking incident is the same, if they are trained to be non-compassionate, how can we trust them with our freedom and our lives? I don't know what we can do about it, or what I can, personally. I don't trust that they know how to protect me, or even how not to harm me.

Any news on lawsuit? NLG involvement?
by Tommy Paine Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 3:16 PM
prosperommii@yahoo.com

I saw the video of the Tasering of the already-restrained female protester (on Democracy Now! on the Dish network) and it made me furious. I hope some good lawyers get involved and give the officers involved AND their commanding officers a lawsuit that they won't forget. And hopefully not just a fine that, ultimately, comes out of the pockets of the taxpayers. These thugs deserve criminal prosecution and immediate removal from the force.

Anybody know the status of legal action against the cops here? Were there any Legal Observers from the National Lawyers Guild present? (I don't know if P-burgh has an NLG chapter; I'm pretty sure they can muster a group of them in Philly.)

Who's side are you on
by Mind Freak Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 4:13 PM

Like you said, sign up, or shut up. Well I have signed up, and I will say the same back to you. Sign up or shut up. I have been in the military for over two years now, and I have been deployed multiple times. Where were you while I was in the desert? Here at home. You haven't been there, you only know what's "going on" over there because someone else is telling you THIER view. Until you have been there, I take none of your "all knowledgeable" anti-war comments seriously. As far as the police brutality.. let's think through this... I look at your pictures, and I see that you're in the street, not the sidewalk. I also see people wearing masks. This is the first time in Pittsburgh history the police have reacted this way, and you want to say they are horrible. If I was there, observing a mass of people, (some of which are wearing masks)and things began to get out of hand, I would want to end it as quickly as possible too. Besides, what is this I hear about a camera man being pushed down before the cops were even involved......? You say they were pushy, trying to get the shot. If I were you, I would want them to get as many shots as possible to help draw attention to my cause. But that's just it, you don't think clearly, you don't plan well, and you are entirely ill equipped for real confrontations. You choose to ignore the fact that we (the military) are overseas defending the freedoms you exercise daily on this website.. a little thing called freedom of speech. Being 20 years old, I would like to thank the military for everything it gave me: Job security, money, discipline, training, professional relationships, and much more. If you think for a second I joined, not knowing I would end up overseas, you have underestimated me, and my fellow service men. A huge percentage of the military is my age, meaning we all signed up AFTER 9/11. We know the price we will pay, it doesn't matter what a recruiter tells us. And although I disagree with your views, I have pride in the fact that it's because of me you have the freedom to think the way you do. I would much rather die for this country, and for the freedoms we have than die in a shooting or a violent crime in the street. If you want to complain about "police brutality" and the bush administration "taking away your freedoms" maybe you should think about this: a little sacrifice to ensure your safety is worth it. Maybe we can all pitch in a little bit to ensure that we survive. One of you asked what's really at stake here... how about our soveriegnty? How about our Constitution? How about your children's futures? I am not telling you that you are wrong, or to change your oppinion for that matter... I am simply asking you to consider what you're saying and the impact it has before you say it. And I would have to agree with another post.. I don't see any mention of us being in Somalia when Clinton was President. I'll finish this on one final note. You protesting outside of this station, and shutting down is affection other people's rights. Other people's right to sign up if they choose to. Think about the affect you have, both positive and negative.

Mind Freak!!

good and bad
by steve Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 4:19 PM

To the gentleman who asked if anyone can possibly believe that a policeman would hurt someone intentionally, yes I do. Not all cops for sure, but I have known more than a handful of folks who I grew up with who turned out to be cops, and I know for sure that they are power hungry bullies. This is why strict controls on use of force are necessary, it prevents citizens from power hungry cops, and it protects good cops who are actually out to help people from the fallout when bad cops sick dogs on old ladies!!!

one more thing
by Mind Freak Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 4:27 PM

One more thing. Police aren't supposed to be psychologists. They are there to uphold the law and try and prevent disaster and disorder. That's it, plain and simple. Why you would expect police officers to have that kind of training is beyond me. And you want to say POLICE believe you are guilty until proven innocent? How about you look at the media? Tabloids perhaps? Those people are the worst offenders.. they LOOK for trouble, they LOOK for drama, and they TWIST anything and everything until it sells. It's what our population as a whole believes. In that picture, I do not see the female (it is infact a female right? I can't tell by the clothing and mask) being fully restrained. I see her arm blocking the officer's arm, which is why the taser appears to be "aimed at her genitals." The officer would react that way in any situation of that sort. If someone is fighting against me, and blocking me, you better believe I'm going to taser them to prevent them from doing damage to anyone else or even themselves. Tasers are quite painful, but safer than the guns that would have been used not even decades ago.

Mind Freak?
by Occupant Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 6:16 PM

Mind Freak,

You didn't give me any freedom. You being in the military does nothing for my freedom. It gets you a paycheck that's and an oppertunity to kill brown people. Regardless even if you did give me freedom, I would reject your paternalistc offer. The only true freedom is freedom that an indivdiual takes.

Some context for Mind Freak
by Tommy Paine Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 6:24 PM
prosperommii@yahoo.com

I realize this is a long thread and so you may not have read through it all before making your comments. I have, and I read the other threads leading from the Pittsburgh Indymedia site, and I thought I'd summarize some points you seem to have missed.

1. Taser victim is indeed female. One observer described her as a 5 feet tall and skinny young woman.

2. Multiple observers wrote that she, with the other protesters, were on the sidewalk when police charged. Multiple observers wrote that police dragged her into the street before firing the Taser at her.

3. Multiple commentators said that protest permits are not necessary on the sidewalk -- only in the street.

4. You can see from the photos and video that there are several riot-gear-clad cops surrounding the woman, who is on the pavement, in ordinary civilian clothes. She is not wearing a mask.

5. One viewer commented that he counts about 13 seconds of Taser activity, leading him to believe the officer squeezed the trigger 3 times, to shoot multiple jolts of high-voltage current into the woman's body as she lay on the ground.

6. I assume you are familiar with the effects of Tasers (are you?) One jolt of the Taser is enough to incapacitate most subjects. More than that, unless the recipient is somehow superhuman (e.g. on PCP) is just torture (yes, I've strayed from facts into editorializing, but I'm okay with that).

7. The police also had and used K9s against peaceful protesters. (They seem to have had everything from the 1960s anti-Civil Rights police arsenal except for water cannons and cattle prods -- but I guess the Taser is the new cattle prod, and it lets the cowardly officer be even farther away from his victim.)

In summary, this was an small, female, unarmed, peaceful protester, apparently resisting arrest. Classic nonviolent civil disobedience, a la Ghandi, King, et al. (It was apparently perfectly legal, too, until the order to disperse, assuming that the protesters had a) time to disperse and b) avenues of egress in which to disperse.)

In the supposedly more-brutal past that you refer to, if there were four cops around her in their Kevlar and padding and helmets and gloves, she would most likely have been forced into handcuffs or zip-ties simply by being overpowered by the officers. THAT is the safest, most risk-free, most appropriate way to deal with an unarmed tiny protester on the ground.

Apparently, these cops don't get enough training in locks and holds, or they just get juiced up on torturing people with whom they don't agree, when given the excuse.

I think they should be prosecuted, and the police department's policies aggressively reviewed and reformed. The use of Tasers should be permitted only at higher levels of the use of force continuum.

As far as taking risks and sacrificing oneself to make America safe, I think unarmed protesters at home are doing more to protect the Constitution and our nation than soldiers are in the oil-rich, but WMD-free Iraq. Protesters exercising freedom of speech in the face of violent repression is something that benefits me directly. The disaster in Iraq has done more to destabilize the Middle East and foster more terrorist "martyrs" than would have happened if we had just kept on containing Saddam.

But I digress...

I appreciate that you are communicating on this forum in reasonable and respectful tones, even though you obviously disagree with much of what is expressed here. When people (on either side of the debate) resort to simplistic slogans and name-calling, it's worse than a waste of everyone's time. Thanks.

Fighting for Freedom
by jk Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 8:18 PM

With all due respect, MF, the fight in Iraq isn't about our freedom... except maybe our freedom to burn oil a little faster.

real facts
by someone with a brain Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 10:15 PM

Wow….looks like somebody got an “A” in film editing. When do you plan on showing the whole truth…I mean video? Even all 3 of the local news stations show more of what actually happened. I missed the clip on your site where the female officer goes into the crowd to find Mr. Edris Robinson and she is instantly surrounded by all of the non-violent protestors. Who is Mr. Ed you are probably wondering? He is the fine young gentleman accused of assaulting the independent cameraman working for Fox 53 who set off this whole melee. By the way morons, it’s a local Fox station not FOX News. Anyway, can’t find any info on him here…the local newspaper named him. I also missed the video of De’Anna Caliguri trying to break Mr. Robinson free. Also, I can’t seem to find the video of Ms. Caliguri fighting with 5, yes…I said 5, police officers. Still looking for the video of the guy overturning a garbage can as he is fighting with police. All of these were either clips shown on the news or written in the paper. I think some folks may want some actual facts so they can understand what actually happened. Hopefully, the truth will come out and these sad, simple people can move on to their next cause. I hear the circus is coming to Pgh……time to dust off the Animal Abuse signs. You guys remember where they are at don’t you? They’re in the storage room behind the “Fur is Murder” signs, but before the “No Bombs for Oil” signs. You people really need to get a life or at least, a job. Keep up the good work Pittsburgh Police.

real facts II
by someone with a brain Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 10:35 PM

Just wanted to clarify that Ms. Caliguri was arrested for pulling the protestor's arm free....this is according to the affadavit and printed in the paper...Of course, she is innocent until proven guilty.

Is corporate media suppressing this story?
by Viva IMC Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 10:48 PM

Has anyone seen this video on TV?

Ken
by Why i take the stand I have Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 11:44 PM

since the start of the campaign against military recruitment, i have struggled with whether or not this is a campaign i am in agreement with. I believe if people wanna actually sign up and get themselves killed for what i think is an illegal and immoral war, then its their lives they waste. But the reason i support and plan to stay actively involved in counter-recruitment campaigns is not because i believe i am fighting for the troops or any such nonsense. I see the method of disrupting recruiting efforts as a means of crippling the ability of our armed forces to continue this illegal war, or even more, start another one in Iran or another country our government does not like. As a result, if such a campaign were successful, then it means i may be assisting in saving countless lives of innocent Iraqis and residents of other nations we may attempt to conquer. Now i do not know if POG or other organizations and people are conducting this campaign for this reason as well, but this is why i am doing what i do. Seven people i know have seen combat in Iraq, and at least two are opposed to the war. One of those opposed is now a disabled veteran thanks to this war. But they made their choice and that is fine. But in my eyes, this doesn't mean its ok for them to participate in the slaughter of a country's people. This brings more harm to them AND us. Therefore, if i feel this campaign to bring an end to mass murder, then i will pursue such a goal in any way i can

Mind Freak:
by T. Paine Tuesday, Aug. 23, 2005 at 11:55 PM
t.paine@gmail.com

I can respect anyone who serves, and honor that service.

But you didn't give or grant or earn our liberty or freedom.

We already HAD that, thank you very much.

We were not under attack by Iraq. Bush is using the Iraq War just to effectively throttle freedom here at home -- NOT the other way around. "We had to destroy the village in order to save it" - said about Vietnam. 'We had to destroy our liberty to save their liberty.' - said about Iraq. And most military personnel know they're being used by an Adminstration who lied us into an illegal, unConstitutional war, one for which there was no evidence whatsoever -- one that's bankrupting the country, fiscally, militarily, morally.

If you were really defending our freedom, wouldn't you DEFEND the protester's right to Free Speech? And condemn the police officer's actions?

response to "someone with a brain"
by someone with eyes Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 12:23 AM

wondering why you can't find video of the taser victim fighting with five officers, or a guy overturning a garbage can during ? simple answer, that's because these things did not actually happen. the post-gazette reporter made up these claims based on innuendo and rumor.

obviously people see what they want to see, but some of us were actually there AND had our eyes open. feel free to keep your eyes closed, and keep trying to convince yourself that the cops COULDN'T be in the wrong.

bull shit
by Isaac Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 7:10 AM

my cousin was a recruitor and told recruites that he got "buff" in the army, that's a fucking lie. he got "buff" and started playing football in highschool so he could get laid, had nothing to do with the army.

Fuck The Pigs!
by Sneaky Pete Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 9:09 AM

Don't Tread on Me!
Whose country is this anyway?!
"Damnot Quod Non Inteligunt" (Latin for "They Condemn What They Do Not Understand"
Just remember this, Mr. Piggyman... The same power that had you taser me will taser you too.
An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind.
In other words... "Just doin' your job is going to someday be 'My job is doin' me!"
Oink! Oink!
Why can't we all just hit a bong?
Oink! Oink!
Pride, Integrity, and Guts (PIG)
Oink! Oink!
A taser is no match for a raiser! Hell-Raiser that is!
Oink! Oink!
Shiny Shoes, Shiny Hat,
This little pig is gettin' fat.
Shiny badge, shiny gun,
This little piggy thinks it's fun.
Shiny belt, shiny car,
This time piggy's gone too far.
Shiny bullet, Shiny blackjack,
This time we take our freedom back,
Shiny helmet, shiny shield,
Now little piggy has no club to wield.
Poor little piggy, He's so dumb,
Poor little piggy, run, run, run.
Oink! Oink!

TASER: The 21st Century Pharoah's Whip
by George french Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 10:53 AM
George@spyman.zzn.com

All through history leaders have sought means to control their people. You just can't allow people to think and act freely or they might think they have rights and rebel against the established authority. Workers need a good whippin' every now and then. It would be politically incorrect to use the old cat o' nine tails on a visible minority today. But wait. There's technology. We can set our Tasers on stun and zap 'em when they get uppity. Excellent Smithers. That will learn 'em. Seniors, the handicapped, children have all been zapped in the US the evil scum that they are. Freedom means cowering in fear while the man in the black shirt flaunts his power.

Chief Fantino was very wise to make friends with Homeland Security nominee removed Kerik. He was on the Board of Taser. He was a New York City Police Commissioner who worked for the Saudis in the 80's. But aren't the Saudis being sued by the victims of 9-11. ZAP! No questions doer of the funky chicken. Didn't Kerik take his girlfriend into a rendezvous over the WTC site for the dictation of a life time. ZAP! One more question and we are authorized to use deadly force you terrorist piece of scum. No one questions Pharoah. Not then not now ZAP! ZAP!

Pittsburgh featured on Michaelmoore.com
by IL Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 11:22 AM

just wanted to let everyone know that michaelmoore.com has coverage of the pittsburgh police brutality, including the taser video, on the front page of his website.
once more and more people around the country see the rotten and disgusting tactics police officers use to subdue non-threatening protesters, i suppose we can expect a change in this country by whichever means necessary.
sensible people will not stand for this shit.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php

What the F***
by Dead Money Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 1:06 PM

tThis could go on forever. We could argue the vailidity of the use of force is ethical or not. YES, you do have the right to organize, and protest. YES, you do have the right use the internet as a forum to communicate with others. But do you have the right to post someones personal information?



Ok you hate the police, but what would happen if those same police ceased to watch your neighborhood, your job at the local head shop, your parents house, your childrens' school?

You as protestors confuse me. If you believe so strongly in your "cause" than why do you wear masks that cover your face?

Micheal Moore? Come on now, we all know the man is "Spin Central".

Serioiusly though keep on working at your mall job making 6 dollars an hour. Keep on smoking so much weed that you retard your brain from making any rational decsion. Please keep doing that so I have something to laugh at, and use as an example for my children (one day), to never become like.

Dead Money


Comments hidden
by Daniel P Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 1:15 PM
dannyp@indypgh.org

Comments were hidden on this post today. I hid Googler's post, which included information on Officer Muoio including his home address and information about his family. In addition, I've removed every post that is a reply to googler's.

The IMC has a policy against allowing off-topic comments as well as threats, and while I personally don't view anything that has happened here as a threat, I understand that the posting of information about Officer Muoio beyond what is necessary to complain about his actions in the line of duty can be perceived as intimidating. But the comments themselves were hidden for being off-topic: Muoio's wife, schooling, jobs, hobbies, what have you are not on topic here nor anywhere on the IMC.

Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

Danny P
by Pittsburgh Citizen Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 3:18 PM

Bravo for removing that post from Googler. I commend you for doing what needed to be done. What I do ask after reading your policies is this: It took all of 30 minutes to remove MY post which I placed approximately one hour before you took action. Why did it take so long to remove Googler's post, which remained on your site for days? The damage has been done.

Taser
by Joel Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 3:42 PM

You guys probably don't know that every cop carrying a taser had it used on them in training. Same with OC(pepper spray. From the different videos and pics, I can't see any one tortured. As soon as an individual complies, the tasin stops. The initial burst is an automatic 5 seconds. You also have to have medic take out the probe. That would explain the trip to the hospital.

I'm not in the US right now, I'm writing this from Afghanistan. Last year was Iraq and my daughter is headed to the Tikrit Ao in a few weeks.

I read your comments and wonder what you really hope to accomplish. To just quit Iraq would be another Vietnam. One of those things we foolishly started then beat ourselves with for the next 20 years. I don't think I could handle that many shitty movies. Can't tell you if anything we do there will really make a difference, but it's better to be doing something more than staying at home and whacking off in the corner complaining about the injustice in the world. Here and Iraq we are trying to give the people more options in their life. look past your hatred of bush and see that the soldiers deployed overseas are you. They are the product of your society, your neighborhood and really do want to do something. As for the comment about getting a pay check. The soldiers get dick. For the amount of hours they work in a day, it ain't about money. Just so you know, the US Army is in Kosovo,Djibouti,Kuwait,Uzbekistan,Afghanistan, Turkey, Egypt, Phillipines, Iraq, and a bunch more I can't remember right now.
The Afghanistan mission has Canada, Norway, Romania, France, Netherlands, Germany, UK, New Zealand and Australia. There are more just have not seen them. Iraq is the same, just replace western european with eastern european.

Things that make you go "hmmm..."
by Private Observer Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 4:20 PM

Interesting that there is such passion behind some viewpoints. And of course, the more narrow the mind, the less likely to see fault in one's OWN view. Everyone is entitled to an OPINION...just don't blur it to become FACT and force it on anyone. My last 2 cents worth is this: think of the consequences for your actions. Who will be hurt? Do you unfairly BLAME someone just to 'vent'? Is there anything more constructive that would help more than hinder??

Round Two
by Mind Freak Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 4:36 PM

The first thing I would have to say in response to your responses is: Yes, you are right. I did not personally grant you your freedom. If you would like to be intentionally obtuse, so be it, but you know what I meant by the comment. You can say whatever mean or degrading things you want to me, but you will never take away the pride in my heart that comes from knowing I help to defend, protect, and maintain the freedoms that you use every day. Just be thankful you were lucky enough to be born into one of the freest nations in the world. Had you been born elsewhere, you wouldn't even have the chance to speak your mind, or fight because your rights are being violated... remember that. Secondly, I agree with what "someone with a brain" said. You are only showing one side of this episode. You can show what you want in order to make your argument all you want, I'm sure you will get plenty of mindless, non-critical thinking Americans behind your cause... hell, you got Michael Moore didn't you? The point is, if you want to be taken seriously, you must present all the evidence. And to Ken, thank you for adding to the effort to "cripple" our forces and the war. Who's lives would you rather save? The "innocent" iraqis (you know... the ones who kidnap non combatants and cut their heads off on tv) or the soldiers who are there to uphold the new government. You do realize, that we are not making any offensive moves at this point, do you not? Everything we do is in self defense, or to eliminate an opposition strong hold. But yea, thanks for trying to cripple our forces, so we can lose even more troops due to lack of reinforcement and substitution. I DO support your right to freedom of speech, but I think this is a humiliating way to use it. You want to know why the rest of the world laughs at us? Because we are so openly opposed to EVERYTHING we try to do. You name anything we have tried to do as a nation, and you will always find protests, riots, etc. And Isaac, I'm sure you can find a better "lie" that a recruiter has told than that... that was a wasted argument. For anyone who is in the military, and knows, recruiters face serious charges for misrepresting the military and providing false information. Anyway, yes.. this could go on forever. Nobody is completely right, and nobody is completely wrong. You may think this war is unethical and immoral, but those are your beliefs, and forcing them upon others is wrong. You should not be bullying people out of joining the military.. you have no idea what events in their life have led them down that path and it is not your place to choose for them. It is right to exercise your rights, but wrong to take away other's rights. I support everyone in their decision, as long as it was theirs to make, so give them a chance and let them decide on their own.

Mind Freak

P.S. I have been present at many of your events, and witnessed everything at a distance. You might want to re-evaluate your picture of the "terrbily obvious plain clothes." Those people weren't undercovers, they were simply trying to figure out what was going on. The plain clothes were of course present, but not where you thought, and you didn't notice them because they were simply watching.... oh yes, where is this riot gear you are talking about? It's not shown in any of your pictures, I see baseball caps, and a bike cop.

Great Job Officers!!
by Force Of One Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 5:29 PM

Liberal pussies who try to disrupt military recruiting during war are asswipes.

I hope the police knock everyone of your pussy assed commie pinko buttplugg heads in.

You all got off easy!
by Not on your side Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 6:21 PM

The officers let you all of easily by only using pepper spray and tasers. Had I been driving in the area, I'd have ran you all over for standing in the middle of a public road. When you are having a demonstration and told to stay off of the streets, by police, then you should do so! If you had just followed their advice, you wouldn't have forced them to take the actions necessary to control your unruliness.

The various law enforcement officials did nothing other than follow procedure and training while handling this situation. If you didn't want tazered, then disperse when told to do so and do not become confrontational towards an officer. The second photo shows the arm of a demonstrator(who's face was scrambled out, yet all of the officers were shown) swinging at the officers weapon.

tazer ,shmazer....!!!!
by jackie-boy Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 6:25 PM

it looks to me like they shoulda tazered that chick in black with a weapon that wired her mouth shut..so she couldn't eat anymore....fat ass loud mouthed cunt!!!
its a shame when "peaceful demonstrators" cross the line and become public nuisences instead...which her fat ass was....no effin cars could by her jumbo butt and all the cops!
good job guys...tazer all the hooded clowns who walk around this city...and head up to wilkensburg and start there!!!!!

wow
by jbake Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 8:03 PM

boy, the trolls sure are coming out of the woodwork for this one! i will never understand people who insist on visiting sites that personally offend them, then feel the need to tear down others.
Personally, i commend the brave souls that went out that day and stopped the establishment from luring in more young people with false promises. I would have been there myself, but i had previous engagements.
And for all you warmongering trolls out there, I have little to say other than watch the news. The tide is turning in the favor of peace.
In Solidarity
JBake

JBake
by nixonKnew Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 9:05 PM

Are you saying "you commend the brave souls that went out that day... and visit[ed] sites that personally offend[ed] them?"

to Pittsburgh Citizen re: hiding of comments
by Daniel P Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 9:39 PM
dannyp@indypgh.org

Well first of all, Pittsburgh Citizen, I'd like to correct your statement- Googler's comment was posted at 4:23AM on 8-23-2005, and was hidden at 12:42PM today, the 24th. It stayed up for roughly 32 hours- a far cry, in my view, from "days."
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Comments, like stories, to this IMC are not screened before they appear online. The group of people who monitors them to ensure that they are conforming to policy is relatively small (looking to make it bigger? Come to the next IMC general meeting, and ask to get involved!) and, more importantly, very busy. We don't check these all the time. Especially not when an article is old. We hid the first post by Googler (on another story) much faster, but didn't notice this one. It was only today around noon that someone tipped me off that there were comments on this story that violated editorial policy.
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So the fact that Googler's comments stayed on longer than yours, is nothing more than a freak of timing. It shows no intentional bias. Your comment was removed at the same time as Googler's- because it was at that point that I went through this article and removed Googler's post and all posts that were in reply to Googler's post.
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I hope this helps enlighten the situation. If you'd like to ask further questions, it would be nice if you could email me, so we don't have to fill this story with only tangentially related comments.

some clarification needed (as usual)
by Ken Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 9:57 PM

well when i saw innocent Iraqis, i am certainly not speaking of those who cut heads off. Those are called terrorist groups like Al Qaida in Iraq, Ansar al-Sunna, etc. I mean people who are not taking part in any violence of this war and yet continue to be killed by ALL sides in the thousands. Also, i said i wish to cripple recruitment efforts for this war that we are in right now. Never did i say cripple the armed forces forever no matter what. If we stop the illegal occupation of Iraq, then my efforts to hamper recruitment are through, unless we repeat these crimes again elsewhere. I believe some wars are a just cause, but this one is not. I hope this clarifies my position further to the person replying to my earlier comments with answers that make me think he barely read what i originally said, then spun it to make me sound like i said something else. Your turn once again though.

to Danny P
by Pittsburgh Citizen Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 10:15 PM

I stand corrected, Danny P. You're doing a commendable job. I'd rather not email you though at the risk of MY information (such as my address, shoe size, favorite color, where I do my grocery shopping) being posted on your site for "roughly 32 hours". I may take you up on your offer to attend a meeting though. I'd love to help.

Threat?
by ezrider Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 10:32 PM
ezriderpgh@yahoo.com

I neither agree or disagree with the premise of this demonstration but their right to do it is guarenteed by the constitution. As far as tasoring goes......use of force is supposed to be reserved unless necessary to prevent injury from a threatening situation. I did not see that threat and I feel the use of force to the extent it was used was totally unnecessary and the officers involved should be sued for violating the rights of the protestors. If you do not agree you're living in the wrong era and would of been better off in Nazi Germany.

Hm
by Mind Freak Wednesday, Aug. 24, 2005 at 11:45 PM

I did not mean to "spin" what you said. But you trying to cripple the war we are currently in is not going to do anything but lose more lives. Having a military is a necessary evil in every country.. there is not one nation in this world that does not have a military or some way of defending themselves. You accept the fact that there are terrorists in Iraq, which is why we are still there. If we were to pull out now, we would cause more trouble than we already have. Imagine this: the terrorists are going to hate us either way. There are cells in every country, some of which lay in waiting, some of which are active. You cannot be so arrogant as to think they don't exist, even in this country. Now, there are people in Iraq who support us, and thank us for our help. Imagine if we were to leave, after detroying the country while promising to rebuild it under a new government. That would cause the people who DO support us to hate us as well, spawning a new generation and a new breed of anti-US groups. I don't know about you, but we have enough enemies as it is, and I don't think we should make any more. Say all you want about why we went into Iraq, the fact is that we are there now. We have been in the Middle East since the last war, and we're going to stay there. To pull out of Iraq would cause an unbearable ammount of deaths, loss of equipment, and loss of money.. your tax dollars. We, as a nation, after 9/11 said we are going to combat terrorism, no matter where it is, be it in our own back yard or not. You should feel lucky that we can count the number of times we've been attacked on our own soil on one hand. Be glad we took the war to them, instead of them taking it to us. Be glad we have the resources to protect ourselves and our future.

Like I said before, I AM in the military, I HAVE been there, and I HAVE seen, FIRST HAND how it is over there. You can take into account what I have to say, or you can leave it. For all of you who are so up to date on this current issue, I would suggest accepting the fact that this is the way it is for now, and look to the future. Do any of you pay attention to Korea? China perhaps? How about South America? And PLEASE, stop complaining about your gas prices, it's been at 5 and 6 dollars in Europe for years now.

I'm female by the way.

Mind Freak.

alright
by Ken Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 1:08 AM

again i never said i want to eliminate our military as a whole and i accept that militaries are a necessary evil. What i said is i cannot accept this war or the recruitment of young people to cause death and misery amongst Iraqis themselves. I know an Iraqi Kurd from Baghdad who agrees with me on this, as do two friends of mine that saw combat in Iraq, one of whom is now disabled. So while your opinion is respected here, i strongly disagree and have people who as you say, "have been there and done it" and they see the situation from the same point of view. I'm fully aware of the terrorist cells all over and have been for some time (i gave a speech on Al-Qaeda and the threat they pose in high school which was 1999, TWO YEARS BEFORE 9/11) I feel that the occupation is actually fomenting peak levels of hatred of our nation and actually has become a breeding ground for terrorists that now get hands-on training that they can now take to Madrid, London, and soon Italy, and perhaps the USA. Instead of curbing terrorism, we have made it worse for ourselves and the world as a whole. There being no attacks since 9/11 here means nothing. They waited 8 years between the two WTC attacks, showing they have patience in carrying out large-scale bombings. As far as Korea, Latin America, etc i actually pay far MORE attention to these places than i ever do Iraq and the middle east. Especially Latin America, where we are so often the bad guys who HELP dictatorships keep an iron fist on those people. When it comes to Latin America, our government's actions are often inexcusable and your case for intervention of any kind there is far less credible and able to be justified than the middle eastern incursions we make. I hope this further clears my position on our actions and how i see our nation behaving in the world.

Good for you
by Mike Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 3:44 AM

Good for all of you that got hit with the tasers. You should be all thrown in jail or made to join the military. It makes me sick that I have fought to protect the freedom of people like you. I you don’t want to join the military don’t we don’t need to see your ass out there doing things that the military lets you do by keeping this country free. If you don’t like the way this country is run LEAVE.

comments hidden
by wishihadataser Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 5:34 AM

i applaud the guy who took the cops info off of this site. i also believe that none of these protesting douche bags had the balls to show up at either his house or police station to demand an apology, would surely not be greeted with open arms, yet another kind of arms...keep smokin your weed and whatever other mind altering narcotics you idiots may be on, if my personal info was placed on here, and someone came to my residence to seek anything with my wife and children present, they could only pray to whatever god they believe in, to walk away alive, if they could walk at all..take off the masks pussies and have the nuts to show the world your faces, obviously you are ashamed that the manager of your lowlife jobs or douche bag family members that would disown your sorry asses would see your ugly faces, look more like gangbangers than protesters...get some lives assholes...

u suck
by you're a sucky mc suckerstein Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 8:43 AM

why don't you post your address up here and we'll see... i'm pretty sure you wont do shit. ass licking asshole.

police conduct
by concerned citizen Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 10:08 AM

I am not a protester i am a City of Pittsburgh citizen that works and pays taxes for the City to pay these officers. My only comment is this, the police force in Pittsburgh is brutal and not all but many of the officers do use their position to mistreat and abuse citizens. I have experienced that first hand and I have no record, not even a parking ticket. Something needs to be done about their behavior and they need to stop being protected for thier actions. So as an upstanding citizen I say congradulations for standing up for your rights. Bravo/

Keep your eye on the prize
by Chris Brown Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 10:52 AM

Keep protesting! The whole world watches what happens in the USA - hoping that at the very least enough Americans will stand up and derail the neo-conservative (Bush/Cheny) assault on everybody else.

When we see that a sizeable number of Americans (whether they where masks or not) not only oppose the policy of their gov. but actually go out and protest - it gives millions of people hope that a better world might actually be possible.

I know it's all very confusing for a lot of Americans but the rest of the world needs you to act; we need you to act even if it means getting tazered or beaten or arrested or imprisoned because while that's happening to you, Iraq is about to be divided-up along RELIGIOUS and ethnic lines. Tens of thousands of people are dying and many more will continue to be snuffed out if the new "constitution" succeedes in fomenting civil war.

If you know any soldiers who want out, tell them to come to Canada. We're trying to help many who have already come.

Finally, GO AND PROTEST ON SEPTEMER 24 - THE WHOLE WORLD (except for the fundamentalist Zionest settlers in Israel -- of course) WILL BE WITH YOU!

-Chris Brown (from Canada)

What's missing?
by Sister C Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 12:43 PM

My message is simple. Get all facts before voicing an opinion. Without doing this, you are ignorant and foolish. There are always two sides to a story and somewhere in the middle is the truth. Having lived in Pittsburgh for most of life, I am thankful to the police for my protection. I am confident that the actions they took were not unwarranted. Rewind your memory the whole way, people, and take a REAL look at the way the situation unfolded.

the video
by me Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 4:02 PM

http://www.ifilm.com/player/?ifilmId=2678222&pg=default&skin=default&refsite=default&mediaSize=default&context=product&launchVal=1&data=null

Hold Fox Accountable
by Jim Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 4:02 PM



Please take a moment to ask Fox to provide more details than what they always seem to omit. The link provided will take you to their "complaint Dept." of sorts. Tactics in Central American countries by their state run Departments of Propoganda are the model for this behavior and left unchecked will escalate out of control. The Cameraman who alleges foul is clearly the culprit in this travesty. And yet he is not held accountable. We need to get a police report to see if he is even mentioned in it. See the connection everyone? When is the last time you heard of Karl Rove. Distraction Distraction Distraction. Get busy ehile you still can.




To: foxnewsonline@foxnews.com

Police Disperse Pittsburgh Protest
Sunday, August 21, 2005

PITTSBURGH — Two women protesting the war in Iraq were taken to a hospital Saturday after police broke up an unauthorized march involving about five dozen people on a busy one-way street near an Army (search) recruiting station.

David Meieran, who helped organize the protest, accused police of "inappropriate and excessive force."

Sgt. Clint Winkler, (search) a supervisor on duty, told The Associated Press that one woman who would not leave was subdued with a Taser. He also confirmed that a police dog bit another woman on the leg when she refused police orders to disperse.

Both women and a man involved in the march were arrested, Winkler said.

"They were told to disperse, peacefully disperse, and failed to do so, so we started down the sidewalk — officers in front, K-9's behind us, and started pushing the crowd down the sidewalk," Winkler said. He said the march broke up after the arrests.

The recruiting station was not open at the time




The actuality of what occured at the busy one way street in Oakland that day was that an independent reporter who was senseing a story and found none decided to "FOX" it up a bit. He aggressively filmed (as in wouldn't get the camera out of the face of several protestors) and was told to quit what he was doing (as in please film us from a comfortable distance) He apparantly was offended and stomped off only to return with the Police who approached the peaceful protest from either side of the sidewalk yelling to the group to disperse. Your reporter claimed he was punched, manhandled and that his camera which he used the rest of the day was broken. Picture the scene if you will. Snapping barking dogs coming from one direction, and batoned pepper spraying police tasering people without provocation from the other direction. Clearly the busy one way street was a barrier to exiting the sidewalk. I'd like you to publish the name of your less than ethical reporter. How is it he was not charged in this incident? Making false statements to authorities, inciting a riot, Public nuisance and a half a dozen Homeland Security issues relating to terrorist activities. You should take the point on this issue and clear your name.

STORY








scratch that last one - it's here
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http://www.ifilm.com/player/?ifilmId=2678317&pg=default&skin=default&refsite=default&mediaSize=default&context=product&launchVal=1&data=null

Something we can do.
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Listen
by Anonymous Thursday, Aug. 25, 2005 at 7:18 PM

http://www.pro-american.com/Music/359372.mp3

If you think that we don't belong in Iraq, listen to that. All I'm saying is listen.

And I am sure the police officers that were involved have already been debriefed and are being dealt with. There is most certainly an investigation under way and it will reveal the truth behind what happened. I, personally, am thankful the police did something. I agree with Mind Freak, you are infringing on other's right to sign up, should they choose to. Oh, and by the way, I don't know if you watched the election, but Bush won by a considerable margin. That says something.

grow up
by tjfunk911@aol.com Friday, Aug. 26, 2005 at 2:53 AM
tjfunk911@aol.com

don't you people have anything better to do on a saturday afternoon then take your 6 year old child to an event that they don't understand or have any idea what is going on. i would take children to an amusement park or a ball field or even on a boat ride before i take them to some assenine protest of a group of people looking for trouble. for the officers that didn't have tasers shame on them for not shooting your asses. grow up

activist kids vs frat boys - kids win!
by **** Friday, Aug. 26, 2005 at 9:01 AM

tjfunk, that 6 year old child has a pretty good grasp of the issue - you'd be surprised what kids can understand - and probably knows a lot more about it than some of your friends and the neocons on this forum do.

good!
by farts=democrats Friday, Aug. 26, 2005 at 9:08 AM
farts@democrats.com

Glad to see some hippies that hate everything about everything they disagree with get a beating.. Please more tasers!!!!

Ironically, Someone related to those officers works in child services
by Rembrandt Friday, Aug. 26, 2005 at 12:28 PM

"tjfunk, that 6 year old child has a pretty good grasp of the issue - you'd be surprised what kids can understand - and probably knows a lot more about it than some of your friends and the neocons on this forum do."

Ironcially, someone related to one of those officers at this 'protest' works in child services.

While it can be argued against a 6 year old having the cognative ability to understand such a grey area - lets assume just to play devil's advocate - that the child is a savant. [I recommend the book 'Why Gender Matters, by Leonard Sax - about dicipline and education tactics to be taken with respective sexes for an interesting (and medically peer reviewed!) theory on the above.]

Even if the child had a FIRM grasp of the situation, and even WANTED to attend, they are not legally of the age of majority that would allow them to make that decision. [And I would have to question the parenting skills of ANYONE who allowed their six year old the chance to 'call the shots' on such a matter. Picking out what shirt to wear, yes. Deciding on attending a protest that had a high chance of becoming violent - Veto!]

Ultimatly, the choice to have this child accompony their parents to this event was the parent's choice. And, could actually be used, considering what unfolded, to investigate the parents of said child to evaulate their 'fitness' and 'judgement' as parents via the child services dept.

My personal opinion of any parent that would be so selfish as to put a 'cause' infront of the well being of their child, I don't think needs to be stated - you can infer which way I would go. I am just suggesting to consider which is more important to you - your child's safety ? or your objections about the military recruiting people.

To me it seems a very simple decision.

ur mama sucks me off- you're a sucky mc suckerstein
by i want to tase you're a sucky mc suckerstein Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 5:36 AM

lets set up a mutual meeting date pal, maybe somewhere like downtown, the waterfront, or wherever you'd like, and ill show you what kind of shit you dont think ill do fag

WORD OF ADVICE
by Officer Crumky Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 7:39 AM

If the police show up and ask you to move or face arrest, they are not joking around. Listen to them and take you ass someplace else. Unless you do want to get arrested.

If you are getting arrested, listen to and obey the instructions of hte officer. Otherwise your ass is theirs and they are free to thump you until you shut the f up and are subdued.

Just like that fat protester in the bad fashion that got tased. She was not obeyig the commands of the officer. As such she still presented a threat and was properly tased. When the cop says rollover it is so that (1) you can not get up quickly to assault the cop or cause other trouble, (2) to place you in a position that difuses the situation, and (3) to handcuff you and proces you for arrest.

Follow this advice and even if you are arrested you will have a safe protest experience. Keep in mind that the Police are in a service business and they will be happy to accomodate your requests for a hurting if that is what you ask for. Now be careful out there.

The constitution guarantees right to assembly and to petition the government
by dan Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 11:04 AM

Unlawful assembly? As an American we have the right to peacefully assemble anywhere we please. We can march, chant and holler all we want. Where was the violent resistance? It seems a news photographer in bed with the status quo wrongfully accused people of harming him and called the goon squad in. Welcome to the new Fascist America. Bush lied and sent numerous innocent people to their deaths, and we don't have a right to be indignant and to ask a few questions. No, our police will taser already subdued people and release dogs to bite senior citizens. Who are the real terrorists in our society?

To all of you who are against the protesters....
by An observer Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 11:57 AM

To all of you wh think it's OK for pigs to taze and pepper spray peaceful protesters....

Either you are choosing to go along with the program...kill for oil, or you have complete ignorance of the facts. Go on, take your kids to the corporate theme parks. One day, you will really have something to complain about, and you will then be too scared to step out and speak your peace. This county was founded on freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and other freedoms. TO ALL PEOPLE! Now, you act like dictators who do not want to hear or see anything you do not agree with. People like you are assisting the dismantlement of our freedom. You just haven't figured it out yet.

I'm waiting for the day Randall Terry gets Tasered
by braver than Anonymous, 8/25 Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 2:07 PM

then you can lecture me about what people's rights are, and what constitutes obstruction of those rights. Good grief. What I saw in that video was shameful. This is America. We do things better here - we don't use our peace officers to set dogs on people with embarrassing opinions. (Or, at least, we used to be ashamed when it happened. We used to want to be stronger than that. We used to see it for the craven mean-minded weakness that it is.)

And this is a shout-out to all the war-policy apologistas who've posted - What kind of nincompoop can see rightful citizens have their own police force violently set against them, and say "oh good! I'm sure they'll have a meeting about it, anyways.."? I mean, is that really what we're fighting for? Meetings and bureaucratic ass-camoflage? Because I thought it was something better.

There's a war on, boys. Are you really prepared to welcome combat veterans home to the same political environment they have been overseas fighting to put a stop to? Because we are fast approaching one of those Shit-or-Go-Blind moments.

BTW - From what I can see, the reason she didn't roll over was because they were HOLDING HER DOWN.

To Dan
by Supreme Court Justice Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 2:14 PM

Ah, dude, the Constitution DOES NOT give you any right to assemble anywhere you want any time you want so on and so forth. Besdies, that protest was not peaceful and it clearly interferred with safe public ingress, egress and commerce. The police where within the bounds of Constitutional dictate to dispense with the assemblage.

Was the protest unpeaceable?
by braver than Anonymous Saturday, Aug. 27, 2005 at 4:23 PM

I have been trying to find out more about the protest by reading the local papers. None of the accounts' quotes mentioned anything that called for mace, dogs or tasers. There were, like, 30 of them (protesters) and while they did seem to be planning on spending an hour or two there, were they really likely to get more than just noisy/tedious?

It can't be just too early yet. I thought this happened on the 20th.

Why were the cops told that they couldn't allow that to happen?

To Supreme Court Justice
by mike Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 at 2:02 PM
mgrossman@law.csuohio.edu

Yes, courts have allowed laws to limit a person's 1st Amendment right. There are, however, STRICT rules regarding when a government may restrict freedom of speech and assembly.

For instance, police may ONLY restrict freedom of speech if there is already a local law allowing them to do so. If such a law is politically motivated, it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. If there is no law, police may NOT restrict speech on a discretionary basis. To do so would also be UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Oakland, to my knowledge, does not have laws barring small-group assemblies on public sidewalks (obviously, since high levels of foot traffic would then be "illegal"). If there is no law, then police action was UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

If there IS a law against assembly on a public sidewalk, the police were STILL UNCONSTITUTIONAL if their behavior was motivated, in any way, by the political beliefs of the protesters. In other words, if the police treated protesters any differently than a "Support Our Troops" rally would have been treated, their actions were UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Somehow I doubt a "support our troops" rally would have been tasered and attacked by dogs, thus the police actions were UNCONSTITUTIONAL, a violation of the 1st Amendment.

It is well-established that ANY LAW OR ACTION that discriminates against a particular political stance, whether by intent, enforcement OR on-face, is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

If you believe the police acted knowing the difficulty protesters would have taking a "Free Speech" case to court against the city, you're probably right. If you believe the police acted constitutionally, you're an idiot, and your concept of basic rights parallels nazi Germany.

Oh yeah
by mike Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 at 2:07 PM

And the elderly womyn who was bitten by the German Shepard really looks like a masked up anarchist...

jackass....

study says these protesters are full of shit!!
by ihateanarchists! Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 12:51 PM

Are cops wild in the streets? New study says no way!

To hear some of the media and activist police critics tell it, American cops are "out of control," running rampant in an "epidemic" of unjustified use of force.

But in an ongoing study that has been underway now for more than three years, Dr. Darrell Ross, an associate professor in the CJ department at East Carolina University, is nailing down facts that prove just the opposite is true.

In reality, Ross insists, officers' use of force is miniscule in the totality of police-citizen contacts. Force incidents -both lethal and nonlethal - actually are down by significant percentages in recent years. And the oft-repeated accusation that police deliberately and discriminatorily target racial minorities in employing force is not substantiated when important contextual information is taken into account.

Why does the myth of extensive and excessive use of force persist? Partly, Ross suggests, because certain powerful political agendas and philosophical orientations depend on it. Partly because important, relevant social forces are not properly understood or reported. And partly because of the nature of modern media.

"People try to show a trend by taking one incident and magnifying it," Ross told Force Science News, and the practice of tv shows infinitely replaying videotape "loops" of isolated police violence makes the atmosphere on the street "look worse than it is, like the police profession is in a conspiracy to beat people up.

"This is not to say we have never had officers who cross the line of brutality. We've had countless examples, just as other professions have their unethical members. But not at the level that the myth says. The truth is that police use of force, including deadly force, is less than it used to be by far."

As a law enforcement trainer, CJ educator and expert witness with more than 20 years' experience, Ross had grown wearily familiar with the accusatory broadsides leveled at American policing regarding use of force. At the latest ASLET training conference, he itemized a laundry list of these allegations, including claims that "police brutality is systematic," that police "use more force than necessary," that police "discriminately use excessive force against minority groups," that police willfully and regularly "violate citizens' 4th Amendment rights" and so on.

What finally motivated Ross to launch his study was the book "Police Brutality," an anthology of essays edited by journalist Jill Nelson about the "crisis" of police "misconduct," the "persecution" and "murder" of blacks by officers, and the disreputable behavior of "the fuzz" on the "battlefront" of the streets. The tenor of this material, coupled with "police brutality" reports by activist groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, seemed so vastly "ill-informed and ill-conceived" compared to Ross' personal experiences that he determined to discover and document the truth.

To date, he has compiled and analyzed an extensive amount of pertinent data, including more than 220 lethal force and 60 less-than-lethal force studies, innumerable articles and reports, 35 years' worth of government crime-trend statistics, 26 years of officer-felon shooting data and 3,500 civil liability cases (among them more than 300 that he has been involved in as an expert witness).

In an interview with Force Science News, he discussed some of his key conclusions:

-First of all, it's important to understand that between 1978 and 2003, the U.S. population age 13 and older grew by about 47,000,000 people. The police population in that period increased by about 235,000 officers. Yet despite a civilian population growth that is about 200 times that of law enforcement growth, police shootings have not increased. Indeed only a tiny percentage of police-citizen contacts-holding steady at about 1%-involve police using force of any kind. Even in arrests, use of force occurs only in about 3%.

-From 1968 to 1975, an average of 483 persons per year were shot dead by police rounds. That average has dropped significantly since then. Overall, the annual average of lethal shootings is down 33% since 1968. Shootings by police that inflict injury but not death have decreased by 20-22%, Ross says. He credits a drop in violent crime, more restrictive court rulings (notably Tennessee v. Garner), better training and decision-making by officers and the availability of more less-lethal force options, including OC, Taser and beanbag ammunition.

-Police shootings are related to UCR violent crime trends. Both tend to be highest in crime- and violence-ridden "hot spots" within a city. These areas are "catalysts" for officers being called and using force to deal with the situations they encounter there, Ross says. Like it or not, the areas with the highest concentration of violent crimes predominately are black. "Shootings are related to community safety and crime in the community," Ross explains. In fairness, "you can't ignore that and look at police shootings in a vacuum. If you don't consider factors like this you aren't looking at the true nature of the statistics."

-Given their representation in the general population (about 15%), blacks are disproportionately shot by police. But that figure is changing. In 1978, 49% of suspects shot by officers were black. By 2003 that had fallen to 34%. It's relevant to note that there also is a racial disparity where the commission of violent crime is concerned. For example, "African-American males are eight times more likely to commit homicide than whites," Ross points out. This involvement in violence and other behavioral choices make them more likely use-of-force targets. "The lifestyle of people who get shot is generally different from those who don't. You can't overlook that. Disparity in shootings does not equate with 'discrimination' in shootings."

-The race of the players in use-of-force scenarios is changing. The incidence of white officers killing black suspects has dropped since 1978, while the incidence of white officers killing white suspects is increasing. Most often black suspects are killed by black officers. All of this "dispels the myth of cops picking only on a certain race" when force is used, Ross says. "Research over the last 30 years repeatedly shows that lethal force used by police is NOT racially motivated."

-As to the charge that misguided police tactics provoke force encounters, Ross found no evidence of a pattern in which "the officer 'created' the danger and/or situation in which lethal force was required, nor did the officer take a 'poor position' that placed the officer in a situation necessitating the use of lethal force."

-Where both lethal force and nonlethal force are concerned, Ross' research confirms that the measure of force officers decide to employ is "highly associated" with the degree of suspect resistance. In other words, force is not just arbitrarily and unjustly delivered. Indeed, he found that officers "routinely use lower forms of force than what could have been justified" (deploying OC, for example, when a baton or a neck restraint could have been employed). A significant indication of the move toward lower levels of force is a decline in the use of impact weapons and a corresponding rise in the use of pepper spray, Ross says.

-As to the claim of widespread "brutality," Ross cites the federal DOJ's Use of Force Survey (1996 and 2000), the largest study of its kind ever made. Of all the hundreds of thousands of police-citizen contacts in which force of some kind was used, fewer than 1% of uses were considered excessive. In 68% of arrests, the subject did not sustain any injury, and in another 25% only a cut or bruise occurred. In fact, officers in force encounters are more likely than suspects to suffer an injury that requires hospital treatment!

Ross believes it'is important for officers, trainers, administrators and friends of law enforcement to "do what we can to get the word out" about his findings and "set the record straight." He also urges these additional recommendations:

1. Government entities and their insurers need to continue to "fight to win" questionable lawsuits based on exaggerated abusive force allegations. Officers can help in this effort by writing "a lot better reports" of force incidents, he says.

2. The trend toward greater sophistication in police training needs to be accelerated. He specifically advocates "dynamic, scenario-based" training through role-playing and use of simulators that helps officers "make better decisions" and drive inappropriate uses of force "down even further."

3. Departments should review and revise use-of-force policies that may create confusing, no-win situations for officers. For example, he says, some agencies still insist that officers use "only the minimum force necessary" to make an arrest or control a violent offender. This unnecessarily opens the door to "coulda/shoulda" criticism where officers' actions are second-guessed, Ross says-because it is not the standard stated by the U.S. Supreme Court in the landmark case Graham v. Connor. The Court established a standard of "objective reasonableness," which allows for broader flexibility in the realistic context of unpredictable, fast-evolving, complex dynamics that so often characterize force encounters.

"It's vitally important that the public be informed about the issues Dr. Ross' research addresses," says Dr. Bill Lewinski, executive director of the Force Science Research Center at Minnesota State University-Mankato. "If myths are not dispelled, they are believed, and that means people will believe cops are as violent as movies and other media often make them out to be. Once that belief prevails, then the risk is that even totally professional force encounters between officers and subjects will be interpreted as inappropriately violent."

Some of Ross' findings are reported in the journal Law Enforcement Executive Forum for Jan. '05. The article is titled: "A Content Analysis of the Emerging Trends in the Use of Non-Lethal Force Research in Policing." Copies can be ordered on line at: http://www.ptb.state.il.us/ForumJournal/current.shtml

Ross also teaches a 16-hour block on "The Myths and Realities of the Police Use of Force," which can be adapted for shorter conference presentations, with training implications included. He can be reached at (252) 328-4203 or via email Dr. Darrell Ross




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well then, Dr. Ross,
by braver than anonymous Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 at 9:13 PM

what violence had been done? Still waiting to hear about that.

I believe the police officers tasked with using tasers on those protestors did the best they could - for example, they were very careful about where they shot the bolt - in the thigh, - which suggests that they were mostly keeping their heads in an emotional situation.

I'm not suggesting the cops ran wild.

I'm asking why they were sent to the protest with dogs and tasers in the first place. Mace, I have carried myself so no expl. requested - though I've never maced anybody because they were noisy/annoying/in the way.

What violence had been done? (Suggestions that opinions, noise and crowds are a violence to one's tender sensibilities will, naturally, be mocked.)

Straight from the gestapo's mouth
by just another filthy rebel Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 at 5:31 PM
distortedcollective@hotmail.com

Wow! So what you're saying is that, according to THE POLICE'S internal records, they don't actually beat people! Isn't that like using a tabacco company's report on the long-term impact of smoking to say that lung-cancer is a myth constructed by the media? If a cop goes out and beats a protester before arresting them, couldn't they just lie and say that the protester was just resisting arrest? After all, who's a jury going to believe - a paragon of duty and virtue or some "crazy anarchist."

Lemme put it to you this way, considering the undeniably widespread and common occurance of police brutality in the South during the civil rights movement, how often do you think the police:
a) accurately reported the facts after committing these crimes?
b) even bothered to make a report after harassing/assaulting a civil rights activist, or any random black person, for that matter?

Also, think of what the average victim would do after a cop beat the shit out of them. Who are they going to report it to - the police? Wouldn't it be in those officers best interests to cover the hides of their friends and co-workers? These are people who deal with each other on a daily basis and train and act as a team. They've probably known each other for a while, and, I would assume that they've probably formed friendships or have officers that ARE close friends with the guilty parties, so, chances are, they're going to cover their friends asses. Plain and simple.

What this all comes down to, is that professor is simply twisting the facts - of course the police are reporting instances of police brutality less - they don't want to incriminate themselves!

Who is the White BaldHead City of Pittsburgh Police Officers Name?
by seeking truth now Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2005 at 6:39 AM

what is the Name Identity of the WHITE BALDHEAD City of Pittsburgh Police Officer?

he seems very afraid now after having Tasered that Innocent Girl! @ 6 am today Wednesday 31 August 2005 KDKA Radio had a News Annoucement that soon all Pgh Police Officer's Names are to be removed from the Allegheny County Real Estate Website Inorder that Protestors might not be able to locate them & Hold these Police Thugs Accountable!

City Council is to decide changes to the Allegheny County Website very soon?

What other ways are their to Track & Locate Rogue Police Officers...

any thoughts web links are most welcome & hold these Police Punks Accountable!!!!!!!!!

Not Living in the "Real World"!
by seeking truth now Wednesday, Aug. 31, 2005 at 7:02 AM

Perhaps you have a Morality Subroutine that allows you not to Violate your oath "To Protect & Serve" however many LEOs in the East Suburbs do not!

Remember Ramont Montly Clay in January 2002? He sued Edgewood Rankin Swissvale & the Braddock Police Departments & got a settlement of $32,000.00 The Mc Keesport Detective Joe Osinski tried to frame Montly for allegedly selling Drugs! What a bunch of horse crap! Osinski even claimed to have Video Taped these drug deals & never even presented these tapes in Montly Clay's Criminal Case in November 2004......

These Police Thugs Invented Evidence & Test a lie in Court all the Time.

do some research & read become an INFORMED AMERICAN CITIZEN.

beat pigs down
by indiana anarchist Sunday, Sep. 04, 2005 at 10:53 AM

this is why cops get shit and piss tossed on them or bricks and rocks. this why chains and sticks crack over cop skulls.
this is why we spray mace right back. this is why i don't cry when fucking pigs die.

You call this the free world
by Jared Hanna Tuesday, Sep. 06, 2005 at 11:25 PM

That is BULLSHIT fucking against the law we are allowed the right to peaceful protest, and these fucking pigs are taking our right to peaceably assemble and shooting us with tasers just to try and make an example of us. It is necesary that we keep protesting the actions of those with power, and keep protesting. No matter what the pigs do we will fight on. That is what makes democracy work the people fighting on to push their views to the forefront, and become noticed through uncontrolled media. FIGHT ON MY PITSBURG FRIENDS

They earned it!
by The Sarge Wednesday, Sep. 07, 2005 at 11:53 AM

You can all live in your little fantasy world of "the man" oppresses me, that's fine. Thats why I do my job. To guarantee you those freedoms. However, when you abuse those things the rest of us hold so dear, don't cry to the world when you get put back in your place for doing something illegally. If it were'nt for the rest us of sacrificing our time and more, you would all be goosestepping to work and speaking Russian or German. If these police officers were so out of line, one would think that the photographers in the back and foreground, along with the other witnesses would have done more than gawked and snapped photos. You make me ill. Accept responsibility for yourselves and learn to stop blaming everyone else for your problems. Grow up and figure out how the real world operates. The world does not revolve around some professor who has been cloistered on some university surrounded by books and his own opinions of how things work. There are two sides to every story and no amount of education can circumvent that. At some point you will have to realize that the world is not a place for the Care Bears and a hug to fix everything. Go ahead and protest away and the complain how tax dollars are wasted when there are cops there protecting your sorry butts from those who would do you harm. When the time comes that you are being stalked by some weirdo, or you are trapped in your twisted and mangled car, or when you see a cruiser on patrol in your neighborhood keeping things safe, you tell that cop he is a pig and you don't need him. You will turn into a hippocrit as soon as you need their help. I guarantee it!

Who watches the watchman?
by Officer Down Wednesday, Sep. 07, 2005 at 2:56 PM

Youd be wise to give the whining overstuffed, trigger happy, overstuffed beanbag, Muoio the same advice. Just because there was no whiteshirt there to think for him and he rioted, almost injuring his fellow overseers, I mean officers (watch the video, he almost made those two piggies into bacon) doesn't mean he should be on KDKA, hiding in the shadows, whimpering. If I had a job where I could kill people, and get into no more trouble, than a PAID leave, I'd be posting my address everywhere. He deserves no more special privileges than he already has.
Fucking five-figure, low-rent little Saddams.
Like G. Gordon Liddy says, aim for the crotch, as there is no body armor there.

Why are you so smart and everyone is so stupid
by Sandra Chessher Wednesday, Sep. 07, 2005 at 5:50 PM
valentine2_us@yahoo.com

Since you hate the police so much I really hope you do not need one some day. The problem with the US is there is to many bleeding hearts in this country and to many people that do not mind their own business. That is what gets people into trouble and hurt, because you do not do what you are suppose to.

Love it or Leave it, Sandra Chessher
by Fred Nieman Thursday, Sep. 08, 2005 at 12:37 PM

If time travel was possible, I'd suggest that you go to Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, or even Hussein's Iraq. Since time travel is impossible, a freedom hater like yourself still has options; Red China, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Israel, Egypt, are all good starts. If that is your real name and email address, you should be hearing from the embassy of one of these places where they blindly follow orders and can repress liberty at will. Good luck.

Democracy in Iraq?
by just thinking Friday, Sep. 09, 2005 at 10:59 AM

If the citizens in Iraq have seen the way peaceful protesters are treated here, I wonder how they feel about having the U.S. brand of "freedom" shoved down their throats. Life here doesn't look all that different from life in any other country where oppression is the rule.

Bullet or Stun?
by Bullet Sunday, Sep. 11, 2005 at 2:27 PM

What would of happened if a bullet was used!

Well Duh
by Jr. Walker Monday, Sep. 12, 2005 at 12:12 PM

She'd be either dead or limping around with a cap in her ass.

good for the cops
by Rob in Ohio Wednesday, Sep. 14, 2005 at 7:57 PM

They should have used their batons on the little terrorists! Knock some sense into them. Then maybe they will get a job and actually contribute financially to the country instead of draining it through their welfare checks and pot smoking.

Are you kidding me??
by Josh Monday, Sep. 19, 2005 at 8:42 PM
bobcat23tx@yahoo.com

Are half of you crazy on here? I've been Active Duty military for the last 8 years, and before that a police officer in western Ohio. From the short bit of video I saw on the protest it can easily be viewed by the AVERAGE civilian as getting causing civil unrest and disorder. I'm sorry, but from a PEACE OfFICER's view, if I saw a crownd of folks on the sidewalk infront of a US Recruiting Office (ie federal teritory) wearing black masks, I would call for support, and tell the crowd to disperse. The rules governing USE of FORCE, would then govern what I did next. If I believed a "mob mentality" would be in full effect, and I would be injured, then heck yeah, I'm using tear gas, perrper spray, taser or any other less-lethal force as needed to restore order.

Point is, if you gather a mob of masked people, and start chanting, you have become a non-peacefull protest as there is a percieved threat to the public.

Last but not least, the military is a great, and viable option for young Americans to make a decent living and earn a lot of skills and benefits. I know a lot of you are all about giving welfare to everyone and anyone, but some of use like the choice of serving our country. We don't do it for the money, or even for the patriotism (though we tend to be patriotic), we just do it. This anti-military attitude is exactly the reason why I will never return to the tri-state area. So, I'll take my experiance, my college degree that the Navy helped pay for, and work somewhere where that actually cares for the country, and the people fighting for it.

For my fellow military brothers and sisters, best of luck to you. I hope you won't have to return to this crap spawned from the civilian world like I did.

Anti-War Protesters?
by J B Tuesday, Sep. 20, 2005 at 10:09 PM

What are you anti-war protesters really protesting? Because if it's for peace, then why is it, every where you go, you cause trouble?

Why is it so difficult for you people to show up and be PEACEFUL? -- The very thing you "claim" you are in search.

Hypocrites!

Also, the dumd broad deserved to get tasered. Maybe next time, she should stay home and shave her legs and armpits instead of rasing h*ll in the city.

Sorry.
by J.N. Wednesday, Sep. 21, 2005 at 8:15 PM

Quote:
"Maybe next time, she should stay home and shave her legs and armpits instead of rasing h*ll in the city."

It is negative statements like the above that are so sad and hurtful in our world. It's fine if you find women with shaven legs and armpits to be more attractive, but what about those who desire not to shave? Do they deserve to be physically and verbally attacked beacuse of the way they look?

Has anyone ever called you ugly? I bet you're not. Once something hurtful is said or done, it can't be taken back and the damage is done. But the biggest problem is that when you place forth negativity, you can expect the return to be largely negative.

That said, it is possible to meet negativity with positivity and that's what I'm doing here. I don't think you're a bad person, I just think you're wrong. I'm not going to insult or stereotype you just because you did it to someone else.

I hope that in the future you will be able to see diversity and individualism as a positive thing that fosters growth for all of humanity. We need each other!

you are so right, JN
by K.M. Thursday, Sep. 22, 2005 at 10:04 AM

Fat ugly people can still find love adn deserve to be loved.

Womyn who choose not to shave their armpits and legs can still be beautiful people.

In the end, the diversity is clear and makes each of us unique.

And with the benefits of diversity, love and beauty, those people are still fat, ugly and walking around like she has a nest of woolly-bears under each arm and two shaggy dogs where her legs should be.

Yikes!
by J.N. Friday, Sep. 23, 2005 at 3:39 AM

Wow, you really missed the point! :)

Whoa !
by K.M. Friday, Sep. 23, 2005 at 7:12 AM

You really missed the point, didn't you #:o

Returning Brothers & Sisters
by SH Sunday, Sep. 25, 2005 at 9:42 PM

Personally, I hope your military brothers and sisters are lucky enough to return in anything other than a box.

Who the FUck are you
by Beattoomuch,boxinnow Saturday, Oct. 01, 2005 at 12:27 AM
usmc_g@lycos.com

Who are you you fucking asshole, Do you have any Idea about the brutality here? Probably not. Have you ever been jumped by "the protecters" I have, you? probably not Do you have scars all over walk with a limp or have medical bills at the age of 19 because of the protecters? Probably not. My email is usmc_g@lycos.com lets meet and have a discussion huh? Maybe go to lunch my treat

Amendment 1
by Thoreau Thursday, Oct. 13, 2005 at 9:24 PM

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

officer in question
by Matt Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2005 at 11:06 PM

Does anyone have a badge number or a name for the bald officer who tasered the girl. Perhaps someone should interview him and see why he believed it necessary to taser what appears to be an unarmed 130lb individual? I wonder if he has ever been tasered

officer number?
by Matt Tuesday, Oct. 18, 2005 at 11:08 PM

Does anyone have a badge number or a name for the bald officer who tasered the girl. Perhaps someone should interview him and see why he believed it necessary to taser what appears to be an unarmed 130lb individual? I wonder if he has ever been tasered. Maybe it should be made clear to him through nonviolent protest outside of his home that we as a society will not tolerate brutality.

Stuffed Porkchop
by Officer Down Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005 at 12:52 PM

His name is Samuel Muoio. He fired the taser because he could (since the DA is a badge bunny) and because he can't see his feet or genitals.

HeHeHe
by HeHeHE Tuesday, Nov. 08, 2005 at 9:23 AM
fuckyou@cuntlick.com

BAZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP!

not bad for cloven hooves
by divorce attorney Thursday, Nov. 10, 2005 at 10:13 AM

keep it up sammy, the p.i. has good pictures

illegal weapons
by Sara Sunday, Nov. 27, 2005 at 4:48 AM

I wonder if anybody has found out that tasers are a fascist technology and that nothing of any good will ever come of them? Much as Nuclear Weapons or Chemical and Biological weapons of mass destruction, they are illegal and part of U.S. imperialisms arsenal of excessive vilolence that only loses the rulers any justice that the masses once expected of them. The American people are arising against the unjust and illegal, immoral aggressions that the Bush administration is using against the peoples democracy. No amount of so-called 'modern weapons' can recapture the peoples allegience as the crimes are too great to forgive or forget. The cops using these methods are their own worst enemies.

People who know the least talk the most...
by Julia Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 12:57 PM

People make snap judgments based on nothing more than a photo and an article written from what is clearly a biased opinion. Think about it, stirring things up is how they get ratings. If the media prints it or says it it must be the truth, right? Please people, learn to think for yourselves and not buy into the media's self-serving agenda. If you weren't there (no matter what the situation) then you don't have the facts to judge, pure and simple.

With all the paperwork and bashing that they get I happen to know for a fact that 99% of police officers and military personnel do not assault people for no reason. In fact, police officers and military personnel are frequently injured and even killed because they are afraid to act when they should for fear of the condemnation they will face from the ill-informed public. We NEVER get the whole story about ANYTHING from the any faction of the media and if anything pisses you off, that should be it.

Of course there are bad apples in every barrel, that's just life, but most of the "innocent victims" have actively and intentionally escalated their situation, behaved in a provoking and hostile manner and then run crying when they got what they brought on themselves (or they do it on purpose so they can then turn around and point the finger in an effort to make the other side look as though they have done something wrong). Some people don't know how to act like a mature, responsible, respectful, INTELLIGENT adult and then can't figure out why they get themselves in trouble. It's a major shame that people are always blaming someone else instead of looking inward.

People are so quick to talk loudly about situations that they know nothing about, why not get all the facts (not the media's version or one person or one side's version) before making accusations? Be open-minded and not just a slave to what you want to believe.

No matter what the situation, if you weren't there, you have no idea what really happened - so don't let the media suck you in, that is what they rely on!

A minority female who likes to think for herself - :)

You make thiese things happen...
by Gina Monday, Nov. 28, 2005 at 1:02 PM

just so you can whine and make false accusations about the police to further your 'cause'. You people have NO clue - the people you are bad-mouthing are the only reason you can stand on the street corners and make idiots aout of yourselves without the fear of being killed. You think you have it bad, try going to any number of other countries where if you get caught saying one thing against your government you are killed or imprisoned for years in deplorable conditions. You really are letting your ignorance hang out.

Gina
by "Thiese?" Tuesday, Nov. 29, 2005 at 12:39 PM

Like many of the flag-sucking trolls here, you seem to favor countries where dissent is met with lead instead of expensive toys and gadgets. Why don't you take your pig friends and go to Pakistan or Israel or China, where your outlook is shared and encouraged?

wow, you actually believe what you're saying...
by pike Thursday, Dec. 15, 2005 at 5:46 AM

I take it you have never tried to be part of a peaceful protest. I have personally taken part in a fair number of non-violent protests, and I can say without a trace of doubt that actually, the cops are almost always practically salivating at what they see as a great excuse to beat up a bunch of scruffy idealistic troublemaking kids. It's funny, really, because when I first started out I was the one who was always yelling at the few protesters who were "disrespecting" or otherwise provoking the police; I thought, 'they're human, and if I treat them as such then they will treat me that way too'. HA HA HA HAAAAA... It didn't take too many unprovoked tear gas canisters, pepperspray-to-my-eyes, or nightstick in the back incidences to figure out that actually, cops are TRAINED to NOT ACT HUMAN. They can't- if they did, they wouldn't be able to actually do their jobs. I really do think some go in with perfectly good intentions, however much I personally may disagree with them, but it doesn't seem to take long of dealing daily with the most negative elements in society to make them jaded, macho, ultra-defensive insular power-abusing dickheads. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but that's the reality of it in my experience. I've managed to avoid arrest in almost every situation (like I said, I'm a "good" protester) but the shit I've seen cops do time and time again literally makes me sick to my stomach. I would strongly suggest you try to actually excercise your freedom of speech and right to assemble in a peaceful way sometime and see how long your idealistic vision of the police stands up. Seriously. The only people who seem to believe these things exist anymore in any meaningful way are those who have never felt the need to assert them...

p.s.
by pike Thursday, Dec. 15, 2005 at 5:49 AM

that was intended for the one who said that people bring it on themselves, by the way. I agree with you right above me!

Protector
by Taser Instructor Wednesday, Jan. 25, 2006 at 6:39 AM

First of all, any Police Officer trained and qualified to carry a Taser has been tased. The tasing lasts for 5 seconds. That doesn't seem long, but that is as long as it lasts for anyone being tased, unless the person being tased fails to comply. Our amendment rights are the opportunity to let our voices be heard while being protected by police officers and the military. As a police officer I had to protect the KKK while they protested in Austin, Texas. I hate what the KKK stands for, but it was my sworn duty to protect them during their gathering. I have protected many groups I did not agree with while they marched to their drum. Not once in 15 years did I ever experience a problem during those gatherings, even one that involved migrant workers from all over the United States and numbered in the 100's of thousands in protest. It is sad that some police officers think this is an opportunity to infringe their beliefs on others and go beyond the boundaries of use of force. I know it happens, because I know that not all police officers deserve the priviledge of wearing a badge. Please try to remember that there are a lot of us that try to do an honest job every day. We do not wish to harm anyone wrongfully. It is most unfortunate and unfair that so many innocent people are falsely accused and imprisoned every day. So, please remember those of us that are out here, just like you, fighting against the bad guys, and bad cops too. I believed this war was wrong from the beginning, but it did not keep my nephew from going, serving and safely returning home. I do support our troops. I support their return Home...Alive and Whole. Let's work together to have a place they are proud to return to.

A mom.

Illegal Weapons??
by Police Officer Friday, Mar. 17, 2006 at 12:52 AM

Tasers are illegal??? I don't thin so!! They are a tool and means so we don't have to shoot your dumb ass with with our service pistols and then face years defending ourselves in court from a frivilious lawsuit. Would you rather be shot or beat with a baton??

Illegal Weapons??
by Police Officer Friday, Mar. 17, 2006 at 12:52 AM

Tasers are illegal??? I don't think so!! They are a tool and means so we don't have to shoot your dumb ass with with our service pistols and then face years defending ourselves in court from a frivilious lawsuit. Would you rather be shot or beat with a baton??

Makin' Bacon
by yinsurgent Friday, Mar. 17, 2006 at 11:05 AM

Little piggy,
Who said anything about legal or otherwise? That's your job, law enforcement, justice is not a part of it.
You are suggesting in your semi-literate mispelled way, that non-violent dissenters should be shot? Try Iran or China.
Tasers are not illegal, just cowardly, like cruise missles and predator drones. It's all too easy for lazy, paid terrorists like yourself to 'point and shoot', rather than the commitment and risk of a baton.
So yes, I'd rather your lazy ass try to hit me with a stick; you'll find it's much harder than a taser or dainty little 9mm.

Tase this
by vive le france Friday, Mar. 17, 2006 at 11:51 AM

Tase this...
r244869574.jpeg, image/jpeg, 317x450

Bring the Sorbonne home!

"flag-sucking trolls"
by Harry Hay Monday, Mar. 20, 2006 at 2:21 PM

"flag-sucking trolls"

From the mouth of a terrorist fellator.

Suck them flags!
by taxpayer=terror supporter Monday, Mar. 20, 2006 at 3:41 PM

Like many of the flag-sucking trolls here, you seem to favor countries where dissent is met with lead instead of expensive toys and gadgets. Why don't you take your pig friends and go to Pakistan or Israel or China, where your outlook is shared and encouraged?

tasers
by me Thursday, Apr. 27, 2006 at 1:58 PM

Tasers were invented by two brothers who said that they were trying to "bring peace." I, for one, find nothing peaceful about tasers.

tasers for peace
by dotdotv Monday, Jun. 26, 2006 at 4:28 PM

I would rather get tazed for acting like a jack ass (yes, I've been tazed for demonstration purposes) than get hit with some hot lead or the end of a baton. In the US, you have freedom of speech, not freedom to break the law and do what ever you please. Don't forget, you have these freedoms BECAUSE of the soldiers who fought for them!

taser
by Staff Sergeant Erin Ansell, USAFCAP Tuesday, Jun. 27, 2006 at 12:14 AM

"dotdotv" was quite correct.

War of 1812?
by 1812 Veteran? Tuesday, Jun. 27, 2006 at 9:52 AM

American soliders haven't defended the freedom of US citizens since the War of 1812. They have managed to defend the shareholders right to make money off of the citizens, pretty well.

War of 1812?
by 1812 Veteran? Tuesday, Jun. 27, 2006 at 9:53 AM

American soliders haven't defended the freedom of US citizens since the War of 1812. They have managed to defend the shareholders right to make money off of the citizens, pretty well.

Erin, there wasn't even an air force in 1812, so go play with a cluster bomblet.

1812 is correct
by Joe Saturday, Jul. 01, 2006 at 5:49 PM
idtac1@yahoo.com

1812 was correct - but throughout history there have always been people like the SSGT, myself and others who have been willing to stand up for your rights so all of you can sit your lazy asses infront of your computers and complain about us publically. As a cop and Soldier (who has been tased for training). I assure you the PD was justified in using force. Your all just too stupid realize it.

joe
by 181 vet? Sunday, Jul. 02, 2006 at 1:02 AM

Joe, why don't you use your military and law enforcement expertise, tools, and training to defend the freedom of regular folks like youself, instead of acting as a hit-man with health benefits for wealthy scum?

Doing their duty
by Cuffy Meigs Friday, Jul. 07, 2006 at 8:25 PM
a@b.com

It's unfortunate that regular citizens weren't present to cheer the police on, as all we can hear in the background are the same old Left fascists screaming at the cops for doing their job, as usual.

One would have figured Left fascism would have gone out of style with the collapse of the Soviet Union, but no such luck. There's too much of a vested interest amongst Leftists to give up being parasites and con men to give up their pseudo-ideology, even after it has long ago been shown to be morally bankrupt and hypocritical. And so, we (luckily) have a dedicated police force to act when these characters try to disrupt the lives of average working people.

It does warm my heart to see them doing their jobs so well, though. Thanks for the clip.

Jihad against freedom
by evildoer Monday, Jul. 10, 2006 at 11:01 AM

It's unfortunate that their fanatic base weren't present to cheer the terrorists on, as all we can hear in the background are the same old infidels screaming at the terrorists for doing their religious duty, as usual.

One would have figured religious fascism would have gone out of style with the collapse of the Taliban, but no such luck. There's too much of a vested interest amongst politicians and cops to give up being parasites and con men to give up their pseudo-ideology, even after it has long ago been shown to be morally bankrupt and hypocritical. And so, we (luckily) have a dedicated resistance movement to act, as these characters try to disrupt the lives of average working people.

It does sicken my heart to see them fighting their jihad so well, though.

Police State
by dragsta Saturday, Sep. 16, 2006 at 11:14 AM
copssuck@mailinator.com

Cops Bee Stoopid....

witness needed
by JC Thursday, Feb. 01, 2007 at 4:45 PM
jdc175junk@yahoo.com

Police Brutality- witness needed

At 5:25 pm Thursday September 21, 2006 a Victim was seriously and permanently injured by 3 plain-clothes officers driving gold Oldsmobile Alero. The incident happened near the intersections of Forbes and Craft in Oakland. The victim was riding a red DUCATI sports bike. Anyone witnessing the incident pls
call 578-9731 or email jdc175junk@yahoo.com.

Wackie Jackie
by Cops vs. the World Saturday, Mar. 03, 2007 at 11:56 PM

Actually US law enforcement overreacts to political dissent in ways that would be unacceptable in 90% of the world.

If you would like to see beautiful pictures of what this looks like, there's even alot of photos from India and China, which further serve to point out, that you (like myself) have much to learn.

http://riotporn.blogspot.com/

Witness needed-St. Patty's Day
by Sister of Victim Monday, Mar. 19, 2007 at 3:17 PM
mariabutch@gmail.com

Please help-my brother was arrested, tasered, and unjustly handed by cops in front of Jack's on the South Side around 4:30 on St. Patty's Day. Please come forward as a witness if you saw what happened or if you have any pictures.
Thanks.

It's not just here
by Fox Friday, Oct. 26, 2007 at 5:44 PM

Police attack anyone who protests the war or it's purpose, America is becoming a Police state, and it's high time we realize this and do something about it. Otherwise incidents like these will be more common. And in case you dont believe me, google "arrested for reading the consititution"

You will get a hits.

Ignorant battle cattle
by David Monday, Nov. 15, 2010 at 3:32 AM

@ Mind Freak

You put it pretty bluntly, your Daddy (the military) "gives" you everything you need. Money, security, and a license to kill, what more could a 20 year old moron ask for. You are not fighting for anyone's freedom except for the large corporations that own you and America. Face it bro, they expect your complete ignorance to do their bidding for them. I was in the military myself, it is brainwashing central. They sure don't give history lessons of any sort, knowing some would realize that wars are the most profitable business on the planet. You should read General Smedly D. Butler's book "War is a Racket." The arms industry builds weapons, sells them the government at expense of taxpayers. The government then sells them to both sides of the war, or should I say bankers who finance everything! Have you ever asked yourself where money comes from or how Hitler came to power? Probably not, only understand the "consumerism" behind it, thinking of all the stuff you can buy with the "Feds" funny money. One cannot eat money, but you somehow connect it with your survival. You probably better stay in the military because your so indoctrinated, you won't make it without the military. I'm guessing that you haven't ever done any critical thinking for yourself which means your a lot like Peter Griffin on family guy "I believe what everyone tells me." Some day you might actually understand that it is sad for those who accept authority as truth instead of truth as authority.

Justified
by Unbiased Wednesday, Sep. 11, 2013 at 5:55 AM
Jack@sprat.com 12535551212

It amazes me how many people instantly decide that every police use of force is unwarranted, and how the poor citizen was victimized for "no reason".

Blinded by their misunderstanding of law and bad upbringings. So blind, as a matter of fact, that they failed to see the brass knuckles wrapped around the fist of the "peacefully protesting" man getting tased by the "bald cop" in the photo above.

The bottom line is police are NOT randomly tasering people casually walking by while strolling their kids along on their way to sponsor homeless monchi-chi's,....they are people who have chosen to disregard LAWFULL orders and/or make bad decisions that put them in this position. They are the ones behind the wheel driving the contact into a contact involving a taser. Doing what your told during a police encounter never ends in tasing....taking an aggressive bladed stance with a fist wrapped in brass knuckle-bling like the gentleman above is, is 150% justified and reasonable!

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