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Antiwar protesters march back to CMU's University Center.
I don't get it at all
by Kris Kringle Kucinich Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 3:53 PM
Why the black hoods and black outfits? Why do you have to hide your face? Is this some kind of reverse KKK, and instead of white hoods you wear black hoods? Sort of seems the way it is. The KKK used the same sort of intimidation tactics. So since you wear black hoods, do you go around looking for white people to lynch or intimidate?
Wow !!! How about this idea
by Non-human Resource Department Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 4:13 PM
Is firstname.lastname@example.org really permitted to organize and participate in an illegal trespass at the CMU campus while on the CMU payroll. Maybe mh5r should return those CMU paychecks, quit the filthy CMU job and allow Mh5r more time to do what mh5r seems to really want to do most .... be stage mother for Pittsburgh Indymedia.
what are you talking about...
by Hami Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 5:28 PM
Dear Kris Kringle,
I'm not one of those guys who was wearing the black hoodies and stuff, but I think before you talk you should do a bit of research (i.e. talk to those people). One of the reasons they were those hoodies is to show solidarity amongst themselves. It is in no way a symbol of racism. The KKK is a bunch of hypocritical cowards; the protesters are a passionate group of people hoping the world is void of people like the ones in the KKK.
Hey, the KKK is a passionate bunch too
by Kris Kringle Kucinich Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 6:43 PM
So I guess they have even more in common with the "hoodies". The KKK used the mask and hood for intimidation too. However, not even the KKK hides behind its hoods anymore, now taking up the personal courage to show their faces as they preach their message of whatever-the-hell-it-is that they believe and are scorned and ridiculed for. So in that regard, your passionate "hoodies" demonstrate less courage of their personal conviction than do the members of the KKK (who stood, undaunted, on the steps of the City County building as they faced the violence of the stone throwing crowds in Pittsburgh a couple of years back).
It is the KKK's right to speak their unpopular opinion, as it is yours. But unlike the KKK, you choose to throw in a little intimidation (and leave the accient history of the KKK's lynch mobs aside. I am talking current events here.) Your actions so rudely affront all of society that you, a minority, are saying that if the rest of the society does not listen to your message and do as you demand, you will shut down the streeets, destory public propety, overtake public accomodations for your own purposes, and dare any political or constabulary authority to even attempt to infringe on your mele, lest they be the foci of your wrath as you scream of injustice and violence worked upon you and the unprovoked abridgement of your legal rights (granted by the same laws and institutions which you protest). I am not at all supporting the KKK (an ignorant lot with a message about as heart warming as that of Hamas or any other terrorist group). But I am pointing out that your "passionate" movement is full of hate and intimidation, both in its message and its actions.
I would feel as comfortable approaching a KKK hoodie as I would one of these hoodies from your little walk in the park today. Also, having attended a couple of KKK marches (as a peaceful protester) I notice the distinct LACK of violence and intimidation exhibited by today's KKK. Quite unlike the "hoodies" of your gatherings, all of whom are most clearly looking for a fight, or engaging in some form of destruction of public property or civil obstruction (if not today, you must admit it is most common at these event that the "Blac Bloc" is there for intimidation and confrontation). Your use of the 'hoodies" does not make you more inviting for civil discourse, or even communicate a passionate message. But it does let people know that you want to scare them a little by looking like a ninja, a convenience store robbery suspect, a commando, a guerilla warrior, or some other angry paramilitary militant of indeterminant origin or politics.
You want peace? Stop portraying hate.
by s. Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 7:23 PM
the whole point of masks and wearing black is to create a uniform in order to look the same. If everyone looks the same, the police cant single out leaders, or single out people by race, age...etc
you are utterly unimformed of the black bloc and masks, and your post has absolutly no good argument!
by blu Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 7:24 PM
"Why do you have to hide your face?"
for anonymity. for solidarity. to protect against the racism of the police. it makes direct action events safer when everyone blends in with everyone else. it is a political statement, of both a desire for another world and draws attention to the sad fact that such disguise is necessary. it is black, because this is the traditional color of anarchism.
most folks of our sort do not engage in intimidation. essential to intimidation is the use of force to coerce the powerless. what we do is the opposite. we use our bodies and our lives to short circuit the societal forces of intimidation and carve out (temporary) autonomous spaces of our own collective empowerment. this is called resistence.
it is not intimidation to live our lives the way we please instead of the way other people demand we do. you have it completely backwards. the fact that the police find the need to even supervise our events is evidence of the reality of the situation. brandishing riot gear and armor, this is intimidation. and in these events we confront these forces head on, making a mockery of their efforts in the process. while events of these magnitude may be temporary, they are consistent. our revolution is not fought, it is lived.
by Blue Moon Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 7:30 PM
That is bullshit and you know it blu. You do not need to actually use force to intimidate. The mere threat of force, the mere commnication of force, can intimidate. For if you were correct, then there would be no such thing as a sexual harrasment suit or a hostile work environment. Don't try to twist this around, it is clear that you are trying to decieve. You want a uniform. Show your face. The girl Scouts have a uniform and they all look the same in the parade, but they do not need to hide their identity.
by Dean Gerber Sunday, Mar. 21, 2004 at 8:10 AM
I've been an activist and organizer in the Pittsburgh area now for almost 15 years. I've seen people and groups come and go and in some cases come back again.
As a backdrop to all of it, and through all of the changes, I've seen a very consistent effort on the part of both local and federal law enforcement to target their "power" against those that they feel are most vulnerable and those expected to be least likely to gather sympathy from the public at large. This means that typically the young and non-white protestors are singled out for scrutiny, oppression and intimidation. I am not one of the Black Bloc, I do not wear a mask, nor have I ever been arrested for acts of civil disobedience, but I do understand and support their efforts.
The use of masks is not to hide their identity. I can assure you that these people are the most up front political people that you will ever meet. They are never afraid to tell you their political views. Masks are a means of mutual protection. Law enforcement is not able to marginalize and separate a protest group when everyone appears to be "uniform". There's no one in particular to pick out based on their race, age, gender or perceived religious background. If law enforcement wishes to try to intimidate the protestors, they are forced to do it at random and as a whole. The police are not given the opportunity to pick out those people who are the least likely to get support from the community. The police are not allowed to use racial or other types of profiling to pick and choose. Masks may be the only way to keep the police honest, when they refuse to be honest of their own accord.
Unfortunately, this cities' police force has a long history of targeting minorites and other groups that it feels it can marginalize, and until that situation changes, the masks will not, and I believe should not go away.
Why do these people get to wear black outfits and black hoods on the street and nobody seems to care?
These are the a far more violent force out on the streets of America today, and they get paid to do their job.
And of course, there are many "out of the closet" protesters who find themselves victim of at least some degree of harassment. When people stop the harassment, then perhaps you can start to make an argument against masks.
I wore a mask
by Anarcho Monday, Mar. 22, 2004 at 11:49 AM
I was one of the "black bloc" in pittsburg on m20. I was actually one of the first people to go threw the door to the stairwell in the CMU building where the sit-in was held. And when i was climbing the stairs watching another masked protester spray paint an anarchy sign on the side of the wall i thought i was heading up to a line of cops that was going to beat me down. I was going to fight the best i could (thank god i didn't have to) but i thought i was going to know what pepper spray and batons felt like before the end of the day. I knew i was doing something illegal thats why i wore a masked. If there was a conflict between us and the cops i don't think i would have gotten away because the way the hallways and exits were in the building but if i did... they wouldn't have known who i was. I wore the mask on m20 so i could fight if the cops wanted it that way without worrying about getting arrested in a couple weeks cause someone took a picture of my face. I wear the mask today so i can fight tomorrow (and never be mistaken... it is a fight)
Anarcho is living in some kind of distorted fantasy world. That post made me laugh for a half-hour! You must be a pimply-faced, x-box playing freak that lives at home with mom and dad, thinking he is some kind of "urban hero". How pathetic you sound. And weak. A true downtrodden sociopathic loser. "believe me,,,it is a fight"... HA HA HA HA. I can visulize you, rocking back and forth on your ass in front of the computer that dad bought you from DELL, thinking of the "fight".
You havent ever faced REAL repression, have you? Except for mom taking away your X-box for a week after she found out you were out after curfew.
by Anarcho Monday, Mar. 22, 2004 at 1:37 PM
Why do you attack me? Its not like everything i said wasn't true. We're all repressed... and my mom is dead. so fuck you... you don't know the half of it... attack me again... i don't care... at least i'll die knowing i did what i should have done.
by monkey Wednesday, Mar. 24, 2004 at 12:59 AM
it's not the fight you think it is.
have fun. stay serious.