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M20 march pics
by Mary
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:33 AM
mh5r@andrew.cmu.edu
Pictures from the M20 march through Oakland.
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by Mary
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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nuclear abolition
by Mary
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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Physicians for Social Responsibility
by Mary
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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ACLU observers
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Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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by Mary
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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William Pitt Union
by Mary
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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Gorilla
by Mary
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 10:34 AM
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gorilla man
by jbake
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 6:41 PM
man, im not even quite sure why he was in a gorilla costume, but that gorilla costume was pretty awesome. When someone said, "hey look at that gorilla!" i thought they ment guerilla and half expected a guy to be dressed up like che guevara. in sum: gorilla costume awesome, rain sucked
wow this was the stupidest post i have ever made
Oh I'll bet you have posted even stupider things
by 2Beers
Saturday, Mar. 20, 2004 at 7:25 PM
Yes, Che Guavara, the hero of the hateful left. Glorified for his burning hatred of all who disagreed with him. Like so many of the oppressive left, using personal hatred and the dehuminization of his enemies (in the modern "struggle" that would be anyone perceived as the "Bush" class, the wealthy, those with jobs, or those that do not agree with you leftists).
"Hatred is an element of struggle; relentless hatred of the enemy that impels us over and beyond the natural limitations of man and transforms us into effective, violent, selective, and cold killing machines. Our soldiers must be thus; a people without hatred cannot vanquish a brutal enemy." Che Guevara - Message to the Tricontinental 1967
In the United States the generation of the 1960's spoke often about love and peace, yet this generation carried the image of a man who advocated the use of hatred as a means to an end into their marches and into their dormitories. The image of Che Guevara hanging in the College dorms of young student radicals today may be cliche, but his message is not. In his Message to the Tricontinental Guevara argued that hatred was something to be harnessed and used for as he put it, "an element of struggle." Not only as an element to struggle against injustice, but to be used to perpetrate new injustices. Guevara describes the utilization of hatred or as he put it "relentless hatred" to "impel us over and beyond the natural limitations of man." This use of hatred to encourage the dehumanization of ones enemy is but another manifestation of the doctrine found throughout the centuries to justify mass murder and torture. It is unfortunately the foundation of the message of the left in America and those that profess to march for peace on days like today. But what peace do they speak of, but just a redirection of their own hate. They speak not of the liberation of a nation from a despotic regime, for their hatred of their own leadership would have them ratehr support the retention of a despotic mass murder. The left, your marching friends, embrace adn exult this hatred.
If hate was the solution to all our problems than the victors of this century would have been men like: Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and , yes, Saddam Hussein. Instead they are viewed in most quarters as mass murderers and criminals except for those who are blinded by their "relentless hatred" of their fellow man. BUt yet, of all those hateful leaders listed above, the left in America treats Saddam Husein as worthy of another chance to work with the Internaitonalist, and George Bush as deserving of raw contempt and vilification.
History has demonstrated two fundamental approaches to change the face of the world. One way views hatred as an element of the struggle and has been the way for such leaders as: Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and Fidel Castro.
The second way is an alternative to harnessing hatred, and tragically it is the road less traveled. It is the path blazed with the words (which have apparently been forgotten by the likes of the Thomas Merton Center, which in its policy of appeasement is a willing facilitator of hate as it conveniently co-exists astride such hate) of Jesus Christ who said, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you." This path has and continues to be followed by men of such diverse backgrounds as Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., Lech Walesa, and Vaclav Havel. These men have demonstrated that hatred is something to be overcome, not an "element of struggle," but rather a stumbling block to freedom. Empathy, understading and discourse are abandoned on the alter of socialist political reform and democratic protest as the Left marches on days like today.
And your hate is but a joke to you. Just another hateful person in a custom with no discernable message other than contempt for all else out there.
God bless you
by Pittsburgh Rocks
Sunday, Mar. 21, 2004 at 3:12 AM
I grew up in Pittsburgh now live in L.A. I left in 1981 after high school, so I really didn't know anything then (e.g., that there were any gay people living there, or anywhere for that matter; a waiter co-worker out here set me straight, so to speak, on that). But also I thought of where I grew up as this conservative place (didn't really understand that much about unions I guess). It is great to see you sticking up for fairness and compassion, like Jesus would, instead of the greed and selfishness of the "right."
Jesus was Anarchist/Libertarian (doesn't it seem like Libertarians would be Anarchists, except they're in it for SELFISH reasons) in politics but Socialist in practice. His disciples shared everything, "calling nothing their own" and "they would sell everything they had and give it to whoever needed it" (end of Acts 2 and 4). This reflects Karl Marx's principle.
I am absolutely horrified that we would elect such a spoiled brat like George Bush who is practically retarded to run our country. The right just likes him because he's too stupid to resist their selfish desires. Obviously he was AWOL from his National Guard to go to rehab, and sold the stock in his Texas oil company with insider information (if not, why don't they release the transcripts of their meetings?). Like Ronald Reagan he is a liar and a criminal (for Reagan, add drug dealer). Not that Democratic presidents are altar boys.
Also this previous post that would associate Stalin (selfish paranoid sociopath) or Hitler (extreme right) as "leftists" is ridiculous. It is true we should know enough about people (Che, Sherman Austin, Jamal) before we decide to look up to them. Lenin had good ideas but in practice he ended up ruining them by having a small group of elites run things instead of the workers.
Russia was NOT communist, in fact it was the opposite. We in the U.S.A. are much more communist (believe it or not) than they were, thank God, because we the people collectively own 40% of our land (it's a start) through our state and federal governments, where as the Russian people didn't have a vote or any say (well they had a vote, but just one candidate), which means they owned NOTHING.
Zoning laws and profit-sharing are also communism. Social Security, Medicare (hopefully soon national health care) and farm subsidies, among many other things, are socialism. Capitalism (evil, MAMMON) would have died a horrible death a long time ago if we hadn't incorporated those elements. Maybe Karl Marx was right in that if we prop up Capitalism it continues to live on like a deadly plague or (seven-headed?) demon that will kill everyone in its path. 3000 of us died all at once.
I can only pray that Iraq will see the light, with Europe's help, but the Bush/Halliburton/Military dynasty of greed is already privatizing all the utilities and it's only a matter of time before we buy everything over there and they owe us, effectively becoming our economic slaves, which seems to be the goal of all those who pay for our government (Democrats and Republicans are just two wings of one "business" party).
Our founding fathers got it half right, civic equality, but they were extreme hypocrites (the freedom to own slaves? WHAT?) We must continue to fight until we have economic equality. Whatever it takes. GOD BLESS YOU FOR DOING YOUR PART. I thought we in California were on the right track, but we elected a pandering, lying, asshole movie "star" as a governor. What is the world coming to? We aren't just letting the idiots take over, we're PUTTING THEM IN CHARGE!
RE: Che Guevara, it reminds me of this quote from Biohazard, "A man, like clay, is molded by his surroundings; he starts to take the shape of the beatings and the pounding."
God bless you again and keep up the good work! (Plus GO Steelers! :)
Hey Pittsburgh Rocks
by GK
Sunday, Mar. 21, 2004 at 4:13 AM
Don't look now but your HATE is showing.
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by some dude
Sunday, Mar. 21, 2004 at 12:01 PM
yeah that was a stupid post
Hey!
by Kevin
Sunday, Mar. 21, 2004 at 12:06 PM
kevink108@lycos.com
Man! Next time get the flip side of that protest sign!
whoa, chill out
by jbake
Monday, Mar. 22, 2004 at 7:07 PM
wow, i am both disturbed and pleased that such a silly and light hearted comment on my part could lead to such a heavy, but well educated, discussion. I meant no hate. I hate no one, not even those who i greatly disagree with. Che had a great many good ideas, however, as our friend pointed out, he had a few bad ones. We must learn from the past and use a critical lens when examining any of the statements of our late great leaders. Most of all, we need to learn how to chill out and know when something is light hearted and when it is not.
to my friend 2beers, take some personal time and relax, you seem really stressed.
Gorilla Speaks
by Jabari
Tuesday, Mar. 23, 2004 at 6:49 AM
I spoke to reporter. Said "War No Good. I like people."
Hate wastes time. Heal earth and all beings with love. Many words scares away children. Drink bannana beer!!
More M20 Pics - Peace
by Uday Usay Canusee bida Donsurlilite
Tuesday, Mar. 23, 2004 at 8:31 AM
FIGHT OPPRESSION. WORK FOR FREEDOM. KILL THE AMERICAN OCCUPIERS.
disgusting
by averageJoe
Monday, Mar. 29, 2004 at 5:29 PM
I think advocating the death of American service people is just plain disgusting. These people have made a collective decision that our lives are more important than theirs. Try to show some respect for those who are willing to give up their most treasured possession, their lives, to insure that we can sleep at night without having to worry about somebody kicking our door in to drag members of our family away. Get a grip.
freerepublic.com - try NOTFREEREPUBLIC.COM!!!
by Matt
Wednesday, Mar. 31, 2004 at 10:00 AM
That young lady is wearing a very nice hat for being seen with such a nasty sign.
Thank you, Indymedia, for allowing everyone's voice to be heard. Even though this is a far left-leaning site, I'd say that probably 30% of the posts are from right wingers, which is a good thing in that it allows for spirited debate. In stark contrast to the way things are done here, I was just banned from http://www.freerepublic.com for the following (my first and last) post:
(Responding to a gentleman who stated that Al Franken interviewing Howard Stern was just a further sign of America's moral decay)
'And what moral decay is that? To which period of American history should we return? Fifty years ago, we were separate but equal. A hundred years ago, we had the rule of thumb (it was legal to beat your wife with an object that was thinner than the width of the husband's thumb). A hundred fifty years ago, we had slavery. So when exactly was this golden age of morality from which we have fallen so drastically?'
I am now banned for life. I've never been banned from anything. I've been dumped, beat up, discouraged, and turned away at the club door for wearing sneakers, but never banned from anything! I feel used! Abused! Anyways, this free republic site was a little bit scary. Any organization that has to explicitly state on its homepage that it doesn't advocate the violent overthrow of the country is a little shady.
Matt, I feel your pain
by Ewan Kenkesmearse
Wednesday, Mar. 31, 2004 at 11:07 AM
Having had a very similar experience with PGH IMC, and having been banned from IMC last year for who the hell knows what, I definitely feel for you. However, when I tried to explain that such actions are not appropriate for ANY media organization that presents itself as open to free discussions I was universally pilloried by the IMC regulars (from the left, I would add) and by the IMC editorial collective. I am sure you know of my case and of my efforts to show how I was not the person that I was accused of being (without any support other than the IMC editorial board saying I should be banned for even trying to defend myself). I think freerepublic is pretty off the wall in much the same way that some of the posters here are way off the left wing scale. But, hey it is their right to speak for their beliefs as it is yours. If they don't want you in the "club" they can keep you out, because they are a private organization unlike IMC which is a public enterprise and a non-profit organization.
And can you really tell so much about someone by their hat (or their sneakers)?;)
Question
by Matt
Wednesday, Mar. 31, 2004 at 11:29 AM
I'm actually not familiar with your situation. I just recently graduated from my institution of so-called higher learning (personally, I think I'm dumber than I was 5 years ago) and got a job where I have high speed internet access all day, so this is my first year using a computer beyond schoolwork, news, bestiality porn, and sports scores. My question is this:
What makes IMC a public site and Free Republic a private site?
It seems like both are editorial news sites that present different types of news, as well as obviously different editorial standpoints.
Searching for Ewan
by Ewan Kenkesmearse
Wednesday, Mar. 31, 2004 at 11:55 AM
Sorry Matt. I got you confused with another Matt that posts here and was active in my "situation." You can probably do a search of the IMC site under my name and get all of the gory details of the "lock out" of last year and my personal interest in free speech issues on IMC.
IMC is a non-profit 501(c) organization. That means you can make contributions to IMC and deduct the amount (or the value of any contributed goods) from your own taxable income. This is the same as a charitable deduction, but IMC isn't a charity (it is exempt under another proision of the tax code).
As a tax exempt entity, IMC has a legal obligation not to discriminate agaisnt anyone bacause of their "personal traits" including political views. IMC also has an obligation not to engage directly in political activities (although it can allow users of its site to engage in political activites provided it allows all political activities equally). This means that when IMC attacks or excludes so-called "freepers" or others because IMC just doesn't like their point of view or the tone of their posting, then IMC is violating the law and could lose its tax-exempt status. For example, IMC could not allow someone form the left to post a diatribe about how George Bush is a draft dodger who knew about 9-11 6 months before it happened and he secretly likes to dress in womens clothing, but at the same time not allowing someone to post that John Kerry is a war criminal, traitor, gigolo, and tax-loving political hack with no commitment to any agenda other than "please keep me elected."
Free Republic is a private organization. Free Republic's statement on its homepage clearly sets this out:
"Free Republic is private property. It is not a government project, nor is it funded by government or taxpayer money. We are not a publicly owned entity nor are we an IRS tax-free non-profit organization. We pay all applicable taxes on our income. We are not connected to or funded by any political party, news agency, or any other entity. We sell no merchandise, product or service, and we offer no subscriptions or paid memberships. We accept no paid advertising or promotions. We are funded solely by donations (non tax deductible gifts) from our readers and participants."
As a private organization, Free Republic can choose to exclude someone from their site simply because they do not adhere to the God, Country, Mom, and Apple Pie doctrine that they also very clearly spell out on their homepage.
Thus, there is a BIG difference between the editorial practices that IMC and Freeprepublic can employ. Many IMC's (such as SF IMC) are even more anti-free speech than I think Free Rupublic could be. These other IMC's expose the entire IMC network to the potential loss of its tax-exempt status as well as some very bad karma. IMC can not support free exchange of ideas and then be nothing more than a private club for favored opinions and individuals. Do a web search or go to the NYC IMC and you will see that they have had similar anti-free speech problems there.
Thankfully, PGH IMC has managed to avoid this sort of problem. But this has not been without the ardent efforts of many in the IMC community such as myself who have spoken out about this problem. There has been alot of (sometimes heated) debate on the topic here at IMC. But compared to a year or so ago, the censorship and editorial exclusion has toned down quite a bit. Many here at IMC complain that they have to censor or exclude because of the freeper community here, but that is kind of like saying we have to do racial profiling because there might be a terrorist from Iran out there. The freepers contribute to the healthy environment of discussion, whether or not you like them, agree with them, or even find them entertaining. Come on, we're all adults and we don't need IMC to protect us from "bad thoughts" or adolescent trouser snake spankers.
Off-topic
by IMC Editorial Collective Member
Wednesday, Mar. 31, 2004 at 1:56 PM
Ewan and Matt:
You are getting off-topic, but please feel free to post an article on these issues if you so desire, or post comments for an article dealing with these issues. Have a nice day.
Off topic,or just convenient censorship
by 2Beers
Thursday, Apr. 01, 2004 at 1:24 PM
Ah, my old friend Ewan. Prissy little prig that he is (and I say tha in the kindest way). But so what if it is an "off topic" discussion. Does that mean anytime someone rasies a question on a string that isn't strictly one hundred percent on topic, that the IMC editors will censor (i mean remove) it. That makes no sense at all. Discussions can not be controlled (oh that you wish they could). The natural course of conversaiton leads to exactly the sort of exchanges that Ewna and his buddy matt are having. But your comments will have chilling effect on this (as I am sure you want, since God forbid, someone is critical of IMC or even approaches that sore wound of the great censorship debates).
I even wrote a haiku about it:
IMC hates me
off-topic is code for me
I am off-topic
Ewan oh Ewan
IMC wants you to stop
You encourage me
Off-topic revisited
by IMC Editorial Collective Member (Evan W.)
Thursday, Apr. 01, 2004 at 2:12 PM
The policy has been that if something does not pertain to details relating to the original posting, then it is considered off-topic and can be hidden, with the idea that there could be an infinate number of issues posted underneath an article that someone would have to wade through to get more details on the event, background info. on the news story, etc.
Obviously, this requires a standard of "reasonableness" in assessing what comments are so off the mark as to make them "off-topic."
Some IMC people at other sites feel that any comment not pertaining to the original article should be hidden. We have not taken this policy idea to heart.
However, you are welcome to post your diatribes about censorship as a separate article.
Off to another topic again
by 2Beers
Thursday, Apr. 01, 2004 at 4:08 PM
Okay. I even wrote a haiku about it.
IMC Policy
Put it on a seperate string
See you there Ewan
NOT Disgusting At all
by Average Mohammed
Saturday, Jul. 02, 2005 at 12:30 AM
mohyy@hotmail.com
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Average Joe, Let me ask you something. What about the lives of the Iraqi people? How many children have died since 1990 because of the American sanctions and occupation? How many Iraqi people died because of American bombs, since the war? Those soldiers only increased the number of people that will terrorize America for as long as they live. Every child in Iraq will grow to be an enemy, every Muslim child and kid, and teenager, now Hates America and would dream of being a so called terrorist to avenge his people. This war of yours just multiplied the number of your so called terrorists by a million at least.
LONG LIVE THE IRAQI RESISTANCE!
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