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Reason to be on Pittsburgh's streets - March 20
by PJD Saturday, Jan. 17, 2004 at 1:29 PM
pjdonahue@libcom.com

Please download and watch the attachment.

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Please download and watch the following attachment depicting the sort of stuff the US is doing every day in Iraq. It is not for the faint of heart. Note that one of the murders was of a person clearly waving a cloth for surrender and the third murder was a wounded person. Go to http://www.bushflash.com for more stuff and please support this site.

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????
by M Saturday, Jan. 17, 2004 at 7:35 PM

what the heck is this from? were these men protesters or just running or what? does it say what the situation was??

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Only info...
by pjd Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004 at 7:09 AM

The source (Eric Blumrich - bushflash.com) gave no info of where it was obtained no doubt to protect the source. While their movements might look "suspicious", the persons killed were not obviously armed or an immeiate threat to the US gunmen, they do not appear have had any warning, and they were clearly deliberately killing wounded. This is not the first time I seen the gunning of wounded - I saw a clip which was originally shown on CNN (?) depicting the sooting of a wounded Iraqi to cheers and "god bless america" from the US soldiers

At any rate, the US Invasion, occupation and plunder of Iraq itself is a violation of international law, which is what we were protesting a year ago to begin with. Nothing has changed, thens of thousands have died and the killing continues - but the peace movement is doing nothing.

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sorry
by laughing gnome Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004 at 12:18 PM


Until we get some context I fail to see what this video proves. That these men don't have visible weapons is meaningless, as they could be laying a roadside bomb or have been launching mortars from the back of those trucks.

The person "clearly waving a cloth for surrender" looks more like he was uncovering something. Unless it's common to wave the white flag once, behind your back, mere seconds after your friend was blown to bits in front of you.

Bottom line, the army recently disciplined a soldier for firing a gun NEAR an unarmed iraqi, I can't imagine they'd let their helicopters fire on unarmed men without plenty of reason, and then let them videotape it.

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BOy Do you twits have selective memory.
by The Ghost of Irvings Past Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004 at 1:08 PM

During the Balkans conflict the same thing was available at any number of websites. Including mainstream sites. I remember my favorite site for this stuff was a Cleveland TV station. And the rules of engagement were pretty much the same.

About that "flag of surrender" ... yeah, right. Look closely Mr. Magoo. The guy was not surrendering (although he was certainly rethinking his decision to participate in this particular moment of jihad). Don't cry for them though. Surrender is not in the jihadi handbook. Martyrdom is what they want, and once again America makes someone's dreams come true.

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by pjd Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004 at 7:40 PM

Look, your comments are just proving to me what i have been suspecting all along - that most US-americans are heartless sociopathic thugs. (unless the victim is white skinned and american-english speaking) If you didn't react to this video with moral revulsion, than as far as I am concerned, you are hardly a human at all.

Yes, the us IS indiscriminantly gunning down Iraqis on the flimsiest of suspicions, or no suspicions at all, (as recently reported by a delegation of iraqi municipal officials to Denver - not reported in the US media) just as they did in Vietnam, To believe otherwise is profound willed nievete'.

At any rate, the Iraqis have the full right to do everything they can to eject the violent foreign occupiers from their country.

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ok
by Laughing Gnome Monday, Jan. 19, 2004 at 11:46 AM

Look, your comments are just proving to me what i have been suspecting all along - that most US-americans are heartless sociopathic thugs. (unless the victim is white skinned and american-english speaking)

I'm heartless because I fail to see what this video proves? Does generalizing an entire nation make you feel better?

If you didn't react to this video with moral revulsion, than as far as I am concerned, you are hardly a human at all.

You may be ok with reducing the humanity of someone who holds a different opinion, I prefer discussion and agreement. Even if that agreement is just agreeing to disagree. It sucks that people are dying in Iraq, but that little B&W video is hardly damning evidence of anything, without the context it is in. I don't think my refusal to condemn US soldiers for an act I know NOTHING about is completely insane, let alone warrants a reduction in my status as a human.

Yes, the us IS indiscriminantly gunning down Iraqis on the flimsiest of suspicions, or no suspicions at all,

Can you cite any sources for this? Even non-US ones are ok. I found nothing about Iraqi munipal workers in Denver saying anything on google, other than they are increasingly targeted by terrorists.

At any rate, the Iraqis have the full right to do everything they can to eject the violent foreign occupiers from their country.

Do the foreign terrorists have a right to come into Iraq and attack the US? In case you haven't noticed Iraqis are increasingly a target of the terrorists, and more and more of the bombers are from Syria/Saudi Arabia/Jordan/Iran. Would US citizens have the full right to go to the Ivory coast and start blowing up French military installations?

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What the hell?
by Nina Trimbath Wednesday, May. 05, 2004 at 1:56 PM
Ninasooz@yahoo.com

Can someone please e-mail me and tell me what in the hell this video is all about, immediately. Thanks.
Nina

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Yes, Sir, Ma'M, Sir !!!
by Corporal Irving Wednesday, May. 05, 2004 at 4:34 PM

Yes Nina, Immediately. Whatever you want Ma'm, Sir. Your immediate attention is our only earthly pursuit. I can't email your all important self importance, but I will tell you what the video is all about.

This video, Ma'm, Sir, purports to show some persons attempting to engage a heavily armed military opponent in a foolish endeavor of jihad. Ma'm, Sir, there is no attribution for the video or context in which it can be evaluated. For this reason, Ma'm, Sir, it could well be a video of the Hollywood production variety, not unlike what the Ma'm Sir might see at the local picture show on a Friday night. It is curious, Ma'm, Sir, that the gunship helicopter communications are devoid of normal jet engine and turbine background noise, the onboard cameras are unaffected by the movements and disturbances typically caused by the recoil of the firing of the gattlings, and the hostile forces moved with such languid disregard for their cover even after being engaged (almost as if they were trying to place themselves in the line of fire). The on board communications of the officers also does not conform to proper engagement protocols, nor does the distance fot he engagement appear to conform with the engagement and troop safety protocols. Ma'm, Sir, If we are to assume that this video depicts a US military engagement of hostile forces, we should note that the bogies did not communicate their interest in surrender, assume a non-threatening posture, or demonstrate anything other than the interest in further engagement of the US forces. Ma'm, Sir, if we are to assume that this video is from a current US zone of hostilities, we should consider that 30 secodns of footage does not a battle field engagement make. If the gunship has been deployed to take offensive posture there is more reason than merely afternoon joy riding, Ma'm, Sir. In circumstanc such as this there was most likely earlier engagement or credible information of unauthorized hostile activities. Ma'm, Sir, it would defy logic to extrapolate this unauthenticated video to the statement that this is occuring several times each day in the zone of hostilities against civilian populations, even if this video were in fact actual footage of an actual engagement in the zone of hostilities.

Ma'm, Sir, it is most likely the case that this video is similar to other film and reporting that has been demonstrated to be hoax, and further propaganda for the enemy forces, which has appearred in such media outlets as Britain's Mirror.

I trust that has met your need for immediate analysis of this video clip, ma'm, Sir. Please let me know if I can assist you further in any way whatsoever, and promptly, of course. As we know that the Ma'm, Sir, is an impatient and demanding sort.

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Well done, Corporal!
by Chief of Staff Irving Friday, May. 28, 2004 at 6:13 PM

I promote you to 4 stars, the benefits of rank and privilege beginning immediately.

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