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This is proof that Fascism rules in the U.S.A.
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Sunday, Oct. 12, 2003 at 3:25 PM
BraveNewWorldOrderFighter@yahoo.com

for Pittsburgh Indymedia because I'm from Pittsburgh

Two telling quotes equal Fascism, USA....

The current chief occupant of the White House says:
"With our assistance, Iraqis are building the roads and ports and railways necessary for commerce...We have helped to establish an independent Iraqi central bank. Working with the Iraqi Governing Council, we are establishing a new system that allows foreign investors to confidently invest capital in Iraq's future."

Wasn't it Benito Mussolini who defined Facism as the "marriage of corporate and state power"?

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And I continue to urge my fellow citizens to look at the images of American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon and go from there: http://www.msnbc.com/news/720851.asp?cp1=1

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Fascism
by Sam Monday, Oct. 13, 2003 at 3:11 PM

I don't think we've quite reached that point yet.

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Denial is a powerful force.
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Monday, Oct. 13, 2003 at 5:34 PM

The current occupants of the White House and their friends and business associates are profiting handsomely (really, grotesquely) from their war of conquest in Iraq, which was planned well before they took--literally--office.

Businessmen who have pocketed untold millions of dollars rightfully belonging to their companies' employees are free to play golf and giggle knowing that they will never see the inside of a prison cell, where the common criminals reside.

Non-union working people live on $6 and $7 an hour without medical benefits.

Wall Street dances with money-making glee as companies lay off tens of thousands of workers in order to increase their bottom line and to bloat their executives' pay.

The current occupants of the White House are giving free rein to companies to cut down forests, open new strip mines, and dig for oil in wildlife preserves.

The Federal Reserve (neither federal nor with any gold or silver reserves) is nearing the end of its colossal Ponzi scheme to lend money that doesn't exist in order to collect both principal and interest from helpless citizens forced by law to accept their paper notes (you know, the ones with the Freemasonry unfinished pyramid and all-seeing eye announcing a "novus ordo seclorum"--translated from the Latin as "new order of the ages").

I consider all that a marriage of corporate and state power.
And even if I didn't, they do: They spell out very clearly in their own Project for a New American Century website their plans to run the world like a business.

If it looks like Fascism, and it walks like Fascism, and it stinks like Fascism, I can't help but think it's Fascism.

You, of course, are free to remain in denial. Denial is such a powerfully comforting force, that many people say they can see a Boeing 757 here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/720851.asp?cp1=1

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i
by i Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2003 at 6:34 AM

"You, of course, are free to remain in denial. Denial is such a powerfully comforting force, that many people say they can see a Boeing 757 here: http://www.msnbc.com/news/720851.asp?cp1=1"

You are the poster boy for denial.

I do admire how you grimly hold onto that film clip as evidence.

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This is Just Capitalism
by Sam Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2003 at 6:22 PM

All the stuff to which you referred -- the screwing over of the American worker -- that's just capitalism. It's happening in every country.

Capitalism's time has passed, but it's not as bad as fascism, which is a reactionary, almost feudal system. Fascism's strongest support has traditionally come from the middle class, and also criminal elements. Bush's supporters are obviously the rich, not the middle class.

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Power does not require support.
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Tuesday, Oct. 14, 2003 at 7:04 PM
BraveNewWorldOrderFighter@yahoo.com

Mussolini defined Fascism as the "marriage of corporate and state power"--with the emphasis on POWER.

Who does or does not support it is irrelevant, for power is imposed on the willing and the unwilling.

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Its not Fascism, you are just a misfit
by 2Beers Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2003 at 3:31 AM

I am sorry that you have not been able to find a way to fit productively into society. So it seems that your answer to your failures would be to diminish the economic well-being and opportunity of everyone. Oh great idea. Mussolini also said "If it weren't for all of those losers and misfits out there that so hate and covet the success of their neighbors, I would never be able to turn them into my willing assassins of individual freedoms." or something like that.

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Mussolini or Murdoch?
by 3lefts Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2003 at 5:37 AM

Your half-remembered el Duce quote pretty much describes the outlook and marketing strategy, I mean "strategery" (sorry Dumbya) of your average FAUXNews pundit or talk radio simp.

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Oh look !
by 2Beers Wednesday, Oct. 15, 2003 at 8:49 AM

A fascist over there, oh no another one over there, and over there too. AND THEY ARE ALL DRESSED LIKE REPUBLICANS !! Help Help Help. Please oh Please God deliver us some freedom loving leftists to deliver us from these fascist simps. Because we all know that the left would never ever ever do anything like a fascist. Oh please, bring back Trotsky, Lenin, Marx (hopefully Groucho), Stalin, Caucescu. LONG LIVE FIDEL. Only then can the WORKER have Freedom. Bring down the tools of capital. For it is not capital that has ever created anything of societal value. It is only the sweat of the labor of the underclass. And if we are to succeed our society needs more sweat, more labor and more of the resulting underclassness for all, including the likes of Rupert Murdoch and those FAUXNews yapping-traps. For they are all ignorant rubes, tools of the Dubya regime selected by an out of control fascist state that has become Amurika. AAAHHH, look with envy upon the rest of the world, so free of the shackles of Amurikan Fascocapitalism (or shoudl I say, capitulism?). They are so free from the yoke of capitalism that robs everyman of his freedom and opportunity. If only this could be grand old Europe, with its altruistic tax structure that redistributes wealth so efficiently to everyone, regardless of productive capacity or intent. Which redistributes wealth through the all caring sieve of government oversight. Or if we could be enlightened like the Swedes, a society so very advanced that there would never be a trouble or woe to offend our lowest senses of self-interest. So what if our most liberal government leaders are murdered with regularity in the streets in front of many bystanders. So what if the all caring government benevolence has lulled the populace into a state of disinterest that a high level cabinet official can be stabbed repeatedly and chased through a mall screaming for help as everyone just stands by watching, complicit in the tragic murder. AAHH, that is what we need in this land of Amurika. A true opportunity for all. Not just for Bill Gates and others who have more than the rest of us. Hand all over to a benevolent government. Subjugate self to the betterment of all only through a government. Only when we are all equally deprived will we all have true equality and equal limited opportunity.

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Atlas Shrugged
by Matt Thursday, Oct. 16, 2003 at 5:41 AM

Thank you for your diatribe, 2beers, I did not know that the grandson of Ayn Rand was among us. The last post sounds suspiciously like a summary of the famous 65 page John Galt speech of "Atlas Shrugged."

But Rand hated the idea of a marriage between business and government.

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Sharon is the biggest Nazi
by 3lefts Thursday, Oct. 16, 2003 at 7:45 AM

I knew that would get your attention...

Most of you right-wing, crypto-fascist types with all your whining about "get a job, hippie" and "contribute to the joys of capitalism" have no survival or job skills whatsoever.
Dumbya has most likely never even pumped his own gas and couldn't even keep the token jobs his dad would give him. He couldn't pass the NFL's reading test, yet are to believe that he graduated Yale and Harvard, yet can barely read, write, or speak English.

Limbaugh has sat on his fat ass popping pills for years, bitching about lazy drug addicts. He should be able to find a real job, with those qualifications.

O'Reilly used to lick Danny Glover's feet when he was a Hard Copy "anchor" but apparently has a problem with "Hollyweird" rapist-types sounding off on politics. But I don't hear much about Arnie or the drooling paperweight, Reagan.

None of your heroes could work a real job.


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wow
by Jeff Thursday, Oct. 16, 2003 at 9:46 AM

You mean the right has elitists too? Say it ain't so.

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oh yeah
by jeff Thursday, Oct. 16, 2003 at 11:34 AM

Oh yeah, and I love Rush's excuse for not serving in Vietnam, an ingrown hair on his ass. A true American indeed. Tough as nails to the core.

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i
by i Friday, Oct. 17, 2003 at 7:23 AM

"Dumbya has most likely never even pumped his own gas and couldn't even keep the token jobs his dad would give him. He couldn't pass the NFL's reading test, yet are to believe that he graduated Yale and Harvard, yet can barely read, write, or speak English. "

And yet he consistently got better grades than Al Gorenstein, go figure.

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Nazi Bastard
by Ich Bin Ein Berliner Sunday, Oct. 19, 2003 at 4:11 AM

A German man is to appear in court charged with teaching his dog to give the Hitler salute. The 54-year-old man, identified only as Roland T., named den Hund Adolf and taught it to lifts its paw up straight in the salute on command. Roland T. could face up to three years behind bars for "using symbols of unconstitutional organisations." Adolf, meanwhile, is headed for an animal shelter.

Carola Ruff, of the local animal protection organisation, says the dog shouldn't be judged for what its owner taught it. After all, it was just following orders.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_828619.html

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Real Nazi Bastard
by Ich Bin Ein Putz Sunday, Oct. 19, 2003 at 4:31 AM

A Russian man who claims to be in possession of Hitler's mummified penis is to put it up for sale.

Ivan Zudropov says he's prepared to allow a DNA test on it to confirm its origins.

Mr Zudropov claims his father, Vasiliy, was a Red Army soldier who saw action in Berlin and was one of the troops who was first into the Nazi's command bunker, where he found Hitler's body.

Mr Zudropov said the Russian soldiers had stripped the body of clothing, then kicked and punched it before hacking it up, and that his dad had decided to keep a piece as a souvenir.

He told the Express Gazeta daily: "My father wanted to take a souvenir from Hitler. He first wanted to cut off his head, but later he decided to cut off his penis."

He said he now wanted to sell the bizarre family heirloom for £12,000. He added that the mummified penis was just two-and-half-inches long.

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Of penises and Boeing 757s
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Sunday, Oct. 19, 2003 at 6:36 AM

Of penises and Boein...
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Here, you can actually see American Airlines Flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon on 9/11:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/720851.asp?cp1=1

Or not.

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SOYANT GREEN IS PEOPLE !!!!
by 2Beers Sunday, Oct. 19, 2003 at 7:12 AM

So what did the government do with Flght 77 and everyone on board if it didn't crash into the Pentagon?

It is nut jobs like you who make this sight fun for people like me. You are always louder than you are smart. Just keep screaming these gems of humor so that we can all get a good laugh at the IMC lefty loonies. ROTFL. Keep those wacko social and political theories coming.

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Good question, 2beers. Maybe Flight 77 is with the WMD, Osama, and Saddam?
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Sunday, Oct. 19, 2003 at 12:19 PM

Good question, 2beer...
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Being human, I have often made mistakes. I am not afraid to be wrong, because I learn the most when I'm proven wrong.

I could easily live with the embarrassment of being horribly wrong in my inability to see any evidence of a Boeing 757 at the Pentagon.

I would be happy to be wrong, in fact, because I could suffer lifelong embarrassment more than I am suffering the reality that we have been taken over, BY OUR OWN.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/720851.asp?cp1=1

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scared
by not scared of truth Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2003 at 7:11 AM

They are just afraid of the truth, so they deny anything is wrong. They label everything as conspiracy so they can turn away from the evidence. Laugh now, but soon you may not be laughing............

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Tangential Reality
by George K. Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2003 at 9:39 AM
dodgerambler@yahoo.com

Conspiracy theories are always amazing to read. People devise some very inventive ways to distort obvious facts.
I have to admit, people would be blind to not acknowledge that these things PURPORTED by your “legion of nut balls” COULD occur, especially with present-day computer imaging and editing. And to carry this deed out to spur feelings of war and permit rapid action of the military would be a scenario that can be "thought of.”
Just because something is possible does not mean it is probable. To expend this much energy, creating scenario after scenario to explain your version of events does not hold together. The simplest explanation suffices. Planes crashed. The people that were on them are no longer here. Most people that commit these type of destructive acts aimed at the United States are Islamic terrorists. There is no insidious plot.

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The thundering flock of American sheeple will trample us all, unless we WAKE UP.
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2003 at 1:17 PM

I had never heard of any "crazy conspiracy theory" concerning the crash of American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon when, on the evening of Sunday, February 23, 2003, I tripped across a photograph of the wreckage while doing research for the on-this-date historical almanac I published freelance in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Do you remember the scene in "A Clockwork Orange" where the old gentleman who takes in a battered, dripping Alex hears him warbling "Singing In the Rain" and suddenly realizes with horror and rage that he is sheltering his wife's murderer?

I understand that berserk feeling, for that is how I felt when I suddenly realized with horror and rage that I saw no wreckage at all of a Boeing 757-200 commercial airliner at the smoking Pentagon.

On March 2, 2002, when I asked two reporters of long acquaintance about my concerns, the management of the newspaper, which had been publishing my freelance stuff on a near-daily basis since January 1997, bodily ejected me from the building.

I've had lots of time since then to research the events of September 11, and I have learned much. The deeper I dig, the worse it gets.

Fellow citizens, we have been tricked. We are entertained when stage magicians perform "magic" tricks right in front of our eyeballs.

Looking closely at the "magic" trick of September 11 isn't entertaining, but it is enlightening in a horrifying sort of way.

What made the structural steel of the WTC go all soggy and its structural concrete dissolve into dust all the way to the ground?

Why did WTC 7 fall straight down into its own footprint between the Federal Building and the NY Telephone Company Building, when it hadn't been hit by any airplane?

Why were there two debris fields in Somerset, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 went down?

How could a large commercial aircraft skim the ground before it hit the Pentagon without damaging the lawn? How did the Pentagon's steel-reinforced granite wall remain standing for 25 minutes before it collapsed into a tidy heap half as wide as the aircraft?

Where is the Boeing 757-200 in this, the only video footage available of the crash of AA Flight 77? http://www.msnbc.com/news720851.asp?cp1=1

My hands are clenched in fisted rage.

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Did you drive your Chevy to the levee after your bodily ejection from the P-G
by 2Beers Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2003 at 2:12 PM

Did you also cry when you heard about all the widowed brides?

But do you still remember how the music used to make you smile?

And you knew that if only you had your chance, you could make those people come out of their patriotic trance. And maybe then they would be happy for awhile.

With every paper you'd deliver, bad news on the doorstep. I am sure you couldn't take one more step.

But you were convinced that the good ol boys were serving whiskey and lies. I am sure you thought this would be the day you died.

Oh but it was you who wrote the Book of Lies. Do you have faith in Dubya and crew? Should you be like all the rest, if the Bible tells you so.

No, you believe that you can save their mortal souls. You could teach them to think real slow.
Well I know you're in love with these nut ball ideas
'Cause I you posting them on IndyMedias

You all kicked off your sensibilities
Man, I dig those Laughable theories

I was a just a roving leftist bashing toadie broncin' buck
With a new Dell and a highspeed internet hookup
But I knew that I was in luck
The day i first saw the your leftist lunatic rantings
I started singing...

Now for two years we've been on our own
to rout Bin Laden and his terrorists from under their stone

But that's how it is going to be

Helter Skelter in a september swelter
The birds flew off without any shelter
Eight miles high and falling fast
It landed foul on the Pentagon grass.

The players tried to convince you that there was a plane.
But you, the jester on the sidelines would not let that theory be cast

While sergeants played a marching tune
You got up to show them proof positive that your intellect could wield
Oh, but you never got the chance
'Cause the security guards refused to yield.
Do you recall what was revealed,
The day they tossed your ridiculous hide?

They started singing...
Bye Bye Brave New World Order Jive
Drive your Chevy to the levee
Or someplace else far far away
But please don't come here again another day

And there you all are in one IndyMedia place
A motley band of rabble and misfits lost in space
With no time left to start again

And as you watched him on the stage
Your hands were clenched in fists of rage

No angel born in hell
Could break that Arafats's or Bin Laden's spell

And as the flames climbed high into the night
at the Pentagon and New York and Pennsylvania

I saw satan laughing with delight
The day you leftists sold your souls
and could not tell wrong from right




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2bits
by Critic Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2003 at 2:27 PM

You've done so much better in the past. Granted, Don McLean is a bad place to start.
You'll never get into Pitt main that way.

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Blather doesn't answer the questions...
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2003 at 2:57 PM

Blather doesn't answ...
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Answer my questions with sourced facts and I will admit my error and go away. But until you do, I'm here to stay.

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Blather?
by 2Beers Tuesday, Oct. 21, 2003 at 7:12 PM

Critic, you missed the hidden art of this message. BNWOF stole her statement of clenched fists of rage from The Devine Mr. M. My response picked up where she left off. Sort fo a call and response routine we are thinking about starting.

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Touche'
by critic Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 7:13 AM

I missed the last line, there. Point well taken.

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I think that looks like a ... large pigeon, no wait ...
by * Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 1:21 PM

I think that looks l...
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there it is, it's a plane. Just like the one that hit the Pentagon. You Idiot. They threw your ass out of the PG not because they were part of some great Bush conspiracy, but because you are an annoying imbecile.

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confused
by an open mind Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 3:48 PM

um, uh, I'm not particularly into the conspiracy theory thing (yet) but in these pics why does the building appear to be already on fire before the plane hits it..?

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Uh, maybe...
by a sharper mind Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 4:34 PM

that's because there were TWO planes that hit the building and this is a picture of the second plane. Anticipating your next question: The TV crew was there already because they were filming the events after the first plane crash when the second plane was surprisingly caught on camera hitting the building. No conspiracy to worry about, but honestly if you didn't already know this you are a good candidate for buying into that 'there was no plane at the Pentagon' nonsense.

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Children call names. Adults disagree civilly.
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 4:39 PM

Children call names....
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2Beers, I never will stoop to name calling no matter how provoked. I notice you have provided no pictures or sources about the Pentagon, which my question keeps asking about.

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An Open Mind, that is another intriguing question, now isn't it? There are many, many intriguing--and unanswered--questions about the events of September 11. I think we citizens are entitled to the answers.

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What ???
by 2Beers Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 5:46 PM

BNWOF, what the hell are you talking about? What names did I call you other than to have some fun at your expense since you tried to pass off some tired pop music lyrics as your own.

And pictures??? The only pictures I have posted lately have been some really cool anti-terrorist earth moving equipment and the effects of the use of the same.

I am afraid BNWOF that the cheese has finally completely slipped off your cracker.

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That's what.
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 at 6:26 PM

That's what....
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:D

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Pay
by attention Thursday, Oct. 23, 2003 at 9:04 AM

"An Open Mind, that is another intriguing question, now isn't it? There are many, many intriguing--and unanswered--questions about the events of September 11. I think we citizens are entitled to the answers. "

Why don' t the both of you take a good close look at the photos showing the second hijacked plane flying into the South Tower. What your conspiracy addled brains aren't recognizing is what you see burning is the North tower, victim of an earlier attack.

Now, Brave New World whatever, consider this - Al Qaeda has PROUDLY CLAIMED RESPONSABILITY FOR ALL 4 HIJACKED PLANES AND THEIR SUBSEQUENT SUICIDE ATTACKS!! They were most happy to do so and they are chomping at the bit to do it again.

Try a little experiment - have someone with a gun fire it at a plastic jug filled with water while you stand to the side and take pictures. Take note of the damage to the plastic jug and then compare the pictures. HOLY CRAP! You can't see the bullet, yet, there is damage to the plastic jug!!! Could it be that Flight 77 was flying at top speed into the Pentagon, faster than the camera could capture it?
Nah! Much easier to ignore the facts, ignore the claims of responsibility by Al Qaeda, and make up some bizarre theories that place the blame on the US gov't.

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I have no problem admitting error.
by BraveNewWorldOrderFighter Thursday, Oct. 23, 2003 at 4:52 PM

I have no problem ad...
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On first glance at the above series sent by " * " (which I hadn't seen before), the two WTC towers did appear to me to be one building, but I realize on second look my error.

Given that, there are still many, many unanswered questions about the collapse of the WTC complex. For instance, WTC 7, also a structural steel building, wasn't hit by any aircraft at all, yet it fell straight down into its own footprint, all the way to the ground. Here's a good place to start looking for information: http://www.FunkSpace.com

My first concern is still about the Pentagon and Flight 77. I still can't see evidence of a catastrophic Boeing 757 crash in any picture of the Pentagon on September 11. There are a few photographs available online of the Pentagon's interior some days later that show apparent airplane engine parts, but those are suspect to me, not just because they are purported to have been taken the week following 9/11, but because THEY BEGAN SHOWING UP ON THE INTERNET WITHIN THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS. ~ THEY WEREN'T OUT THERE IN MARCH, APRIL, MAY, JUNE, OR JULY this year, when I was frantically looking for photographs showing SOMETHING, ANYTHING that looked like a Boeing 757.

A real smoking pistol of September 11 is the fact that American Airlines Flight 77 COULD have hit the Pentagon a full hour after it was known to be hijacked. WHERE WAS OUR AIR DEFENSE ALL THAT TIME? The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported on October 28, 2001 that Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Myers stated that "conflicting reports throughout the morning led to confusion in the command center," leaving Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld "not aware" of any possible imminent attack at the Pentagon for more than 40 minutes after the second WTC crash. Now, that's incredible. Literally.

Another real smoking pistol is the fact that the current occupant of the White House DID NOTHING for nearly half an hour AFTER he knew the nation was under attack, not even consult with his advisors. You can order your own copy of the video of Bush's actions in the first half-hour of 9/11 from the Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida, but it's also online for free viewing.

Why did Bush and Cheney PERSONALLY ask members of Congress NOT TO INVESTIGATE the events of September 11?

There are many, many more questions, but I'm tired tonight. The sheeple among us don't need answers; they believe that malevolent men could never, ever take over the U.S. government because a free and independent press keeps them informed.

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Structurally unsound
by George K. Friday, Oct. 24, 2003 at 12:54 PM
dodgerambler@yahoo.com

The large part for the collapse of the WTC 1 and 2 falling straight down is that the floors were constructed very differently than traditionally constructed buildings, with a central core, and a steel skin "tube" with welded flanges that supported the floors. When the heat fucked these welds up, the already weakened welds let go and the floors pancaked down on top of each other. WTC7 Was hit by debris, and, being built the same way, fell the same way. BTW, on SNOPES.com there are vast amounts of other pictures from other sources that show a vast amount of damage from the Pentagon from the INSIDE with a LOT of debris of the airplane.
Use Occam's razor and a little logic. Security lapses allowed fanatics to exploit weaknesses to pull this off. The government does not want these weaknesses publicised for obvious reasons, while the weaknesses are fixed.
Again, I have stated before, you paranoid conspiracy theorists wring your hands and make things up rather than focus your energies on real problems, not imaginary ones.

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SOYANT GREEN IS PEOPLE (2)
by 2Beers Saturday, Oct. 25, 2003 at 4:07 AM

What's that I hear? Is it the Glockenspiel or is it just cuckoo sounds of these nutballs?

These bizarre conspiracy theories are just evidence of the collective intellectual unraveling of the political Left. You think that the Left would have to have at least one structural engineer in their ranks to straighten out this crooked line of flawed reason and logic. HEY BNWOF, do you think that there was some conspiracy agaisnt the owners of the Millenium Hotel or the Merrill Lynch Building, both of whihc are still on the verge of collapse?

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blame the Left
by Fascist Detector Monday, Nov. 03, 2003 at 3:30 PM

blame the Left...
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EcoFascists, HomoFascists, the Fascists always screaming about "Hate Crimes", Political Correctness, Election Stealing, Race Baiting, Zero Tolerance, Taxation, Collaborators, the Gun Stealers....

Need I go on?

Which group is the true Fascists?

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by . Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 6:20 PM

EcoFascists - why would someone not care about the air they breathe, the food they drink or the water they drink? i guess if it hurts profits then it means nothing.
HomoFascists - you don't have to accept gay people, but please refrain from killing them. besides, gay people are a demographic and it's very un-capitalistic to hurt but not exploit them. even though that seems to be changing rapidly.
"Hate Crimes" - a crime based on the hatred of someone because of a difference (a black person could hate a white person and kill them. that would be a hate crime). just like sex crimes are based on sexual conduct, crimes of passion…, crimes derived from drugs, etc...maybe it’s just another category to describe the motive of a crime.
Political Correctness - i'm against the extreme view of being PC. i believe it's censorship to not allow a person to be openly racist. I just hope that person will be prepared for the consequences they most likely will face for appearing to be bigoted and closed minded towards other people. just like gay people have to deal with people who dislike them for being gay.
Election Stealing – i bet this would bother you if the democrats were continually doing it.
Race Baiting - alright?
Zero Tolerance – yes, on both sides.
Taxation – whatever happened to the many companies who have just recently left the country within the past few years? don’t real americans pay taxes?
Collaborators – yes, it must be them. but then i think about all the liberals i know who have joined the military and served their country because they actually love it. sort of makes you think that it might just be possible to love a country but dislike an administration abusing it’s power. yet, of course every president has done so in some way. whenever conservatives hated clinton – did that make them un-american?
the Gun Stealers – do you seriously need a machine gun to hunt a deer? would it ease your conscience to know that anybody and their clinically insane brother could easily get hold of a high powered sniper rifle? hunting season opens around the same time every year, so i'm pretty sure that a month waiting period to buy another gun couldn’t hinder your urgency to kill woodland creatures by much.

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isms
by Brave New ism Hater Monday, Nov. 10, 2003 at 7:04 PM

EcoFascists - why would someone not care about the air they breathe, the food they drink or the water they drink? i guess if it hurts profits then it means nothing.

Of course we all care. But EcoFascists who try and force lies on us I don't care for. How many people died in Kalifornia because of EcoFascist nonsense? What of the starving blacks in Africa that Greenpeace and the United Thugs, uh, Nations held an Earth Summit at? Where they stuffed their faces and proclaimed that grain that might be dangerous should be withheld? In other words, let the darkies die. We know what's best! What's so utterly ridiculous is that people are dying anyway. And Leftists were supposed to be the black man's friend. Yeah, right.

HomoFascists - you don't have to accept gay people, but please refrain from killing them. besides, gay people are a demographic and it's very un-capitalistic to hurt but not exploit them. even though that seems to be changing rapidly.

What of the homos that do violence? Why are you people silent about them? Why didn't we ever hear of Jesse Dirkhising? What about gay on gay crime? And why do they get special staus because they're faddish and plague carriers? Why is England and Canada pushing dangerous Orwellian "hate crimes" laws for them?

"Hate Crimes" - a crime based on the hatred of someone because of a difference (a black person could hate a white person and kill them. that would be a hate crime). just like sex crimes are based on sexual conduct, crimes of passion…, crimes derived from drugs, etc...maybe it’s just another category to describe the motive of a crime.

Do you know how chillingly insane you are, just by those words of yours? By how accepting you are of it? Don't you find it absolutely dangerous for "hate crimes" to be entered into the lexicon, either from the Left or the Right? It's going to lead to "thought crimes" next. Will you be so accepting then?

Political Correctness - i'm against the extreme view of being PC. i believe it's censorship to not allow a person to be openly racist. I just hope that person will be prepared for the consequences they most likely will face for appearing to be bigoted and closed minded towards other people. just like gay people have to deal with people who dislike them for being gay.

We seem to at least semi-agree here. Whether the other Leftist wackos like it or not, Life is racist. I've asked many, and have never got an answer, as to why they think they know better than Life or God. Why do the races exist? Why does each group have it's own ways of being? Why do blacks and whites still segregate themselves in neighborhoods and lunchrooms, etc? It's too deep in us to change it, and the Communists organizations use it to twist the minds of highly suggestive utopians. Racism exists, always has, always will. Why can't the bedwetters accept it and simply shut the hell up?

Election Stealing – i bet this would bother you if the democrats were continually doing it.

They never stopped. Read the history of the Kennedy/Nixon election. Read about Chicago.

Race Baiting - alright?

Since there's a question mark there, I don't know what to make of it, if you accept it without challenge or never heard of it. I can't believe you'd not recognize the Grievance Industry, led by Shakedown Jesse.

Zero Tolerance – yes, on both sides.

Taxation – whatever happened to the many companies who have just recently left the country within the past few years? don’t real americans pay taxes?

It's the Left who wants to tax and tax and tax and tax you until your tits bleed, ala "Socialist" gimme programs. Yet they cry and piss about Big Business. Who's the bigger demon? Lefties bitch about Enron and Halliburton, but never about the Nazis in their clique. And one big reason business is leaving because they're not only taxed to death, but the lawyers have damn near destroyed any semblance of sanity here. Just try and start a business for yourself. See how long it takes to make it through a sea of Orwellian legal sewage and be able to breathe.

Collaborators – yes, it must be them. but then i think about all the liberals i know who have joined the military and served their country because they actually love it. sort of makes you think that it might just be possible to love a country but dislike an administration abusing it’s power. yet, of course every president has done so in some way. whenever conservatives hated clinton – did that make them un-american?

I don't bitch about liberals in the Service. At least they're giving something, unlike the lice covered Saddam groupies and the "Gimme" crowd.

the Gun Stealers – do you seriously need a machine gun to hunt a deer? would it ease your conscience to know that anybody and their clinically insane brother could easily get hold of a high powered sniper rifle? hunting season opens around the same time every year, so i'm pretty sure that a month waiting period to buy another gun couldn’t hinder your urgency to kill woodland creatures by much.

I don't care for having an elephant gun, and the neighbor next door with an arsenal might spook me, but I don't like the idea of regulating guns in any fashion. The 2nd Amendment is crystal clear, and the Nazis can say it's "living and breathing" all they want. Give the Nazis an inch, and they'll take a mile. It's the same as with "hate crimes". As the old saying goes, once the barn door is opened….

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In addition to the 2nd amendment
by Matt Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 8:24 AM

The 3/5 rule?
Slavery?
White landowning males the only voters?

Obviously, all of our original laws should remain in place.

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slavery
by Irving Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 9:44 AM

Leftists and America hating Borg and guilt throwers are incredible morons when it comes to the subject of slavery. They don't know shit about history, except from the Marxist revisionists. Blacks owned slaves. The North was segregated, and viciously so. The slave trade would've dried up in a hurry if blacks in Africa had refused to gather up their brothers and sisters when the ships came into port.

There's enough blame on the blacks part to go around. So don't start with the white guilt and reparations sewage.

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I'm in the presence of genius
by Matt Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 10:22 AM

The point was not that whites or blacks have done more wrong than the other, but the point is that unless laws can be changed, THERE WOULD STILL BE SLAVES. No guilt is being thrown at anyone, you dolt.

Wait, strike that dolt comment, I have a lovely white linen set on ebay I've been trying to sell, complete with robe-sized sheets and hood-sized pillowcases. For you, friend, I'll even throw in shipping, a couple of 2X4's, and some gasoline fer yer weekly cross-burnin'. Actually, I like you so much, I'm just going to mail the whole thing to your address for free. . .what was it again. . . 267 East Dirt Road, Sunny Valley Trailer Park, Butler, PA 17189. . that's the one on the end with the chipped paint and extra large propane tank, right?

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Leftist "tolerance"
by Irving Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 10:32 AM

Did I hit a nerve, sugah?

If it's okay to make fun of Southern folks, then it's okay to slam queers, ain't that right, Little Precious? Otherwise all that Borgian jibber-jabber about tolerance and diversity is just so much of your elitist oral diarrhea.

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gun control for useful idiots
by Irving Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 4:36 PM

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I think we should let it be "living and breathing", don't you, Little Precious?

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gun control for useful idiots 2
by Irving Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 5:08 PM

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C'mon, Matt. Shill for the Nazi Democratic Party.

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gun control for useful idiots 3
by Irving Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 6:30 PM

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Which person will you feel safer with when the UNazis take over?

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No brainer
by Pam Anderson Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 7:24 PM

I know I'd be safe in your mommy's basement and that you would cyberslam that awful UN. (Whose sanctions incidentally killed more Iraqis than the elected Bush, his partial-birth-abortion of a son, or Rummy's pal Saddam.)

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you got that right - no brains
by USS Fetal Position Tuesday, Nov. 11, 2003 at 8:10 PM

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No brains, and no balls either, you absolutely useless coward.

While the rest of us go for our guns, you'll be reaching for the KY Jelly, ain't that right, Little Precious?

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They ignore rogue nations
by Debate Team Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 1:10 AM

Q: Which country in the Middle East is in defiance of 69 United Nations Security Council resolutions and has been protected from 29 more by U.S. vetoes?
A: Israel.

You wouldn't rebel against the UN or any other authority , and the only thing you would do with KY Jelly or cyberlube would be to create a landing strip for your masters.
Some folks are just born to be submissive bottoms, and love a man in uniform even if he's just pretending, like Dumbya's cowboy outfit (he's from CT, and there are no cowboys there out side of certain bars) or his playin' army in the uniform of the week.


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Yee HAW!!!!
by Irving Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 8:50 AM

All hail Irving, who has taken that self righteous butt chaser "USS Liberty" and reduced him to babbling ad hominems and projection and copying and pasting from the Z-Mag dumpster.

Irving the Adolescent Slayer.

sigh This ain't much fun anymore. Anyone can walk into an insane asylum or queer bath house and abuse the weak.

The quality of Leftists is non existent.

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O'Really and Bathouses
by Irving Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 8:56 AM

One of the great moments in tabloid jouranlism was when O'Really interviewed Dan Savage, who expressed his distaste for bathouses. True to arbitrary right-wingnut form, O'Really kept repeating "I want to go to a gay bathouse. What if I want to go to a gay bathouse?"

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what it's called
by the REAL USS Bath House Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 9:48 AM

I'd like to see a transcript before commenting, for proof instead of likely 3rd party hearsay from an obvious champeen of anal cravers. And Dan Savage is sewage, absolute gutter scrapings, which reveals my obvious bias.

If what O'Reilly said was true, I suspect it was baiting, playing the devils advocate, to get an anything goes Leftist to reveal it's true colors.

Break out the transcripts....

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a little checking around
by Irving Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 10:04 AM

So why did O'Reilly go after Savage that night, USS Disengenuous? Because Dan Savage is a two-faced twit, talking out of both sides of his neck.

He doesn't like the spectacles of "pride parades", yet turns right around and likes anyone making a spectacle. I suspect that's what O'Reilly had in mind, of not only Savage, but the astounding hypocrisy of Leftists in general.

What you don't like is how O'Reilly rightfully shined a light on a cockroach. But anyone could do that. Anyone can recognize a hypocritical sleazy cockroach.The only difference between O'Reilly and millions of decent people is that he has a TV show. (And personally, I don't care for O'Reilly, especially since he threw softballs at that cockroach Rosie the Cancer Witch. Many of us think O'Reilly went soft on homos and adoption, etc. So don't use O'Reilly, because you'll come across as hypocritical as Savage). http://www.eros-london.com/articles/2002-12-03/savage/ ...."I wasn't hard on Jake and Kevin. I actually like Jake and Kevin. I thought they were really sweet and it was very nice of them to take me in, a complete stranger, and let me hang out at their house and go to the pride parade with them. My problem is with the dishonesty of the pride parade and that's what I write about. I do think pride is idiotic and counter-productive as an organizing metaphor for gays and lesbians. As an annual rallying cry it's played out and it's dead and it speaks to a gay experience 40 years ago, and so much has changed for us and I just don't think it's relevant any more. And not only is it no longer relevant—it's backfiring. It's so out of step with our lives and the way we lead them, that we look ridiculous marching under that banner, and it hands people who don't like gays and lesbians a stick to beat us with. Like the Bill O'Reilly quotes, "Don't run down the street in high heels and a bra and then tell me it's about liberation and politics," when you¹re acting like a jackass in public. I think that it's fine to act like a jackass in public, and I say that."

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gun control basics for bedwetters
by Irving Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 10:42 AM

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Attention, all you gun control Nazi freaks!

Due to popular demand, yours truly has set up a webcam. Please notice that those mean widdle assault rifles don't do anything, unless acted upon by an outside force.

In other words, you useful idiots, it's people who do the killing.

If you're nice, and behave, I'll set up a webcam in a parking lot. Cars kill too, ya know. So why don't you Nazi shills cry out for the banning of all motor vehicles? (Not that some of you tricycle wielding tykes haven't wanted to).

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I hate HTML
by I hate HTML Wednesday, Nov. 12, 2003 at 11:01 AM

I hate HTML...
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Don't like widescreen? Let's see if the pan and scan version will work instead.

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