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i heard them
by DJ Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:04 PM
deejbard@telerama.com

I heard them talking among themselves as we walked by just as things started to get ugly ... one of the police officers instructed the others to target the people wearing bandanas ... "they're the center of it."

maybe i'm wrong, but isn't it supposed to be the job of the police to KEEP the peace?

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funny
by -- Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:08 PM

that's pretty funny to me since most people wear bandannas because of the violence of the police.

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Even funnier...
by Sam Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:23 PM

The cops seemed to be implying that people with bandanas are the leaders... yet the reason many people wear masks is to heighten the perception of leaderless resistance.

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by - Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:27 PM

Wow ... cops blindly lashing out at something they don't understand ... I never thought that would happen!

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entertaining
by go home Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:31 PM

I like how the "unprovoked" attack by the police was preceded by at least 3 warnings to get onto the sidewalk. After yelling "Last warning" a group still doesn't listen and they get sprayed. Very enjoyable.

I also like the anti-war pro-peace people ATTACKING the cops as they try to arrest two people who were refusing to get ont he sidewalk.

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Go Back to China
by my home too Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:38 PM

Why do you chickenhawks hate America? You Maoist message board generals waste alot of space spouting off your little-man, impotent Tiennamen Square revenge fantasies. There are countries where people are not allowed to protest, and I suggest you leave you mom's basement, move to one of them, and take your freeper buddies with you. Remember, it's still not too late to enlist, since the big chickenhawks need a new plan.

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re: go home
by ian Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:45 PM

Go Home, I am not sure what footage you watched, but the people that the officer attacked were, every single one of the, on the sidewalk.

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Actually...
by Matt Walker Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:45 PM

We are the ones leaving our basements, and voicing our opinions on the streets. This messageboard is where the stories are told, but if you were paying attention, you'd realize that most of our time is spent otherwise. And why do you waste your time coming here to yell at us? Also, yes, this is America --- and nobody here said they hated it. I believe this was an anti war / peace march...tell me how anyone said we hated America? We dont like the war, the killing, and the needless taste for power our government feels right now. You are right, many countries do not give people a chance to protest, but ours does, and we do. Freedom and Equality, Freedom to Assemble Peacefully --- Ever read any of the Constitution? I believe the march was PEACEFUL until the cops decided to use pepper spray. Research, then type...it'll make you look a little better.

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Actually, Matt
by my home too Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:54 PM

I was attacking the pro-war crowd, I need to clarify my sarcasm or something. Sorry 'bout that.

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marchers attacking cops?
by Andrew Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 9:58 PM

why dont you look at the video more closely before you make an ass of yourself...if youll look....the people being arrested were on the sidewalk..or atleast on the edge of the sidewalk because of the crowd...they were then dragged into the street by the police.....also the marchers werent attacking the cops...they were as far as i can tell trying to pull the person being arrested's feet and get him away from the police


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Enough...
by Brad Cue Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 10:07 PM

Enough is enough people. There is no way to argue with the blind about the contents of video footage. Sorry. You can't win. If you just ignore the inflammatory, name-calling posts by the various people on this board who simply incite flame-wars you will be a happier person.

I'm glad that footage like this can bring about discussion amongst people and possibly help people in court dealings, but there is no reason for us to stoop to the level of our opponents. Look, these are the same people who believe that ruthlessly bombing a nation with a population where 50% of the people are under the age of 15 is morally right. Arguing with their logic will get you nowhere.

So please, discuss the behavior of the police and the march participants, but for the good of us all just ignore the false, name-calling statements made by the opposition on this board. It is obvious to all that they are ill-informed on the facts surrounding the issues they have such strong opinions on.

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uh
by go home Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 10:08 PM

Sorry, I should have clarified...

The police officer peppersprayed people out in the street, that much is obvious in the footage. Yes, the people he was arresting were on the sidewalk, but the last time I checked it was not illegal to arrest someone on the sidewalk, but it was illegal to prevent an officer from making an arrest. You aren't allowed to try to keep someone away from the police because the police are trying to arrest them.

Think about how you would feel if the KKK decided to march peacefully down the street, blocking traffic. Would you want the police to break it up? I know I would. Stop blocking traffic and having unpermitted marches or stop BITCHING because you get arrested or sprayed. YOU accept that risk by being there, just as the police who are there to protect all of us (even you pro-saddam people) accept the risk that any of you may have a gun or a knife.

BTW: I realize you aren't pro-saddam, but I dislike the connotation of "pro-war" so I've decided to relabel you as pro-saddam, making me anti-saddam.

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heh
by go home Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 10:17 PM

<i> Arguing with their logic will get you nowhere.</i>

What's wrong with my logic?

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KKK and Police?
by no Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:03 AM

I'd prefer the community do something about a KKK march in the streets, not the cops.

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peace
by agarian dwerni Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:08 AM

not all antiwar protesters are pacifists, in fact, id guess that MOST people at these events are NOT pacifists. especially those of us at these protests who actually "DO" things, instead of hope that bush will one day see the "error" of his ways.. essentially we all agree on the concept of "antiwar", but beyond that, for most of us it isnt such an oxymoron to see supposed "peace protesters" acting not so "peacefully".

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sidewalks?
by boston Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:09 AM

on the sidewalks ONLY after running there when they chickened out when the police confronted them... BIG BAD ASSES jumping a cop 3-1....

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kkk
by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:16 AM

the kkk have the right to march too - and i can say with 99% certainty that the police would NOT have pepper-sprayed them.

everyone has the right to protest - its america 'go home'. "love it or leave it" as so many pro-war dorks say

and you are wrong, you can see the one bald police officer (the skinnier one) charge onto the sidewalk and begin indiscriminately spraying. i don't think its on the video, but had you been there you'd also see them threatening to arrest a man who was yelling at them for getting pepper spray in his pre-teen sons eyes. and you would also see the one dweeb cop yelling "don't make me angry! you wouldn't like me!" hoping we'd mistake him for the incredible hulk, i guess.

people are right to protest, and they're right to protect their families from police violence.

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hm
by Sam Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:27 AM

the kkk have the right to march too - and i can say with 99% certainty that the police would NOT have pepper-sprayed them.
Really? Usually when the KKK wants to rally the city forces them into a fenced in area and refuses to let them leave. Maybe they should adopt that for you pro-saddam people.

and you are wrong, you can see the one bald police officer (the skinnier one) charge onto the sidewalk and begin indiscriminately spraying.
The pictures and footage I've seen shows the cop clearly spraying people who are refusing to leave the street. That much is certain. The "charging into the sidewalk" was because he was trying to arrest someone in there who the crowd was blocking him from. They were hindering arrest and physically blocking a police office, they're lucky they aren't all facing felony charges.

people are right to protest, and they're right to protect their families from police violence.
Protests are fine, in the right form. But when it's just an unorganized mob marching down the street blocking traffic, the police have the right to break it up. You have the right to speak, not the right to be heard.

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boston, please...
by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:31 AM

the police are opportunistic cowards. they know they have lotsa toys and plenty of dweebs like you who'll believe them regardless of what they say, so they'll bully people. evidence, the big bald neanderthal today. they target people who are less likely/able to fight back - due to age, physical disabilities, encumberance, whatever. why do you think nothing went down on the 16th? its because there were 1000 people and the little dweebs knew that by sheer number even 1000 non-violent people would stop them.

they like to push people around, but they're all essentially cowards. not a one of them would ever have the guts to face somebody as a REAL man or woman, without ties and pepper spray and billy clubs and 50 others standing there equally armed.

you say they moved onto the sidewalks when 'confronted' (read: threatened) by the police - are you suggesting that people SHOULD'VE fought the cops? that's not very PATRIOTIC of you...

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:41 AM

>Really? Usually when the KKK wants to rally the city forces them into a fenced in area and refuses to let them leave. Maybe they should adopt that for you pro-saddam people.

as i've said, they won't pepper spray them. the cops will go out of their way to protect the kkk, but will far exceed their powers to harrass protestors today. fancy that

and calling people 'pro-saddam' is what all you dweebs do when your position is bankrupt. its childish and i don't believe that EVEN YOU would believe that. no doubt you're in the crowd eating 'freedom fries'.

and as for 'what footage you've seen' - well as an eyewitness i don't need "footage" and news agencies to tell me what happened. while i was standing on the stoop, the skinnier bald officer charged onto the sidewalks and began spraying at any face he saw. you can see part of it yourself on video on this site.

p.s. - the lipservice bush gives us is that we're attacking saddam because he used chemical agents on his own people... irony, anyone?

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ok
by . Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 1:06 AM

as i've said, they won't pepper spray them. the cops will go out of their way to protect the kkk, but will far exceed their powers to harrass protestors today. fancy that
Ok, you're obviously missing the point. They don't pepper spray them because they don't even give them the chance to march!

and calling people 'pro-saddam' is what all you dweebs do when your position is bankrupt. its childish and i don't believe that EVEN YOU would believe that. no doubt you're in the crowd eating 'freedom fries'.
The whole renaming things is retarded. I just dislike being made out to be some hawkish right-wing nut because I support this war. So instead of being calling pro-war I prefer anti-saddam. That gives me the added benefit of casting the anti-war people in a crappy light by calling them pro-saddam. It's all word games everyone plays, even (especially?) the left.

and as for 'what footage you've seen' - well as an eyewitness i don't need "footage" and news agencies to tell me what happened. while i was standing on the stoop, the skinnier bald officer charged onto the sidewalks and began spraying at any face he saw. you can see part of it yourself on video on this site.
Well some people are saying people were refusing to let him arrest someone. Others are saying people were shouting things at him and when he told them to come over to talk to him they refused. Others are saying someone threw something at him. Lots of eyewitnesses, lots of stories. I'll believe what's been documented, not what's been filtered through a narrow-minded leftists brain.

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 1:52 AM

if you'll believe whats been documented then why don't you simply see the video(s) on/linked from this site?

and think about it - if they were only pepper spraying people in the streets who were obstruction and needed to be arrested, why were there so many people on the sidewalks w/ pepper spray in their face being tended to and NOT getting arrested (amazingly)

the pictures are right on this site. its fact - not kdka spin - fact from people who were THERE.

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unbelieveable
by citizen Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 1:53 AM

you are all amazing.. there are american soldiers fighting for your freedom AGAIN and you are protesting it. none of you would be able to protest if it wasn't for them and those BAD policeman you like to verbally bash. they and they ALONE provide the very blanket of freedom you all hide under every night. if you want to be patriotic then join the service and stand up for your country or just stay home and pray for the safe return of OUR service persons. yes, police officers use the tools given them to do thier job and they do work together, that is because they are doing a job that needs done and they want to go home after work, just like those of you that work like to do, but never mistake proper tactics for fear. police officers do NOT fear protestors or any other criminal. in many of these comments you admitt to breaking the law...
police officers will not cower away from law breakers and by law are the ONLY persons that do NOT have to do so.

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 1:56 AM

<img src= "http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030330/capt.1049067796.war_us_iraq_protests_pajh101">

on the sidewalk

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:01 AM

'citizen' is one of those enlightened people who subscribe to the school of "people are in iraq defending your freedoms (supposedly, although none of the people killed have never done anything against me or my freedoms) ERGO we should NOT use them"

brilliant... bloody brilliant.

and it can't be said enough - you like this war, you go to iraq.

the cops do nothing for freedom, today is a perfect example of that. they abuse the tools they have and the people who go out and face that in protests are the ones protecting freedom, not the clowns iraq.

love it or leave it, citizen

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:04 AM

okay, that didn't work... lets try this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030330/168/3nzmq.html

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:09 AM

i do NOT want to kill iraqis, which is why i'm NOT over there. why don't you go?

i'm PRAYING for an end to this war.... are you praying for it to continue?

and spraying people in the face w/ pepper spray, including children, couldn't by the sickest mind ever be considered a job that needs to be done. you are obviously a dangerous person 'citizen' - it scares me that you're lurking around somewhere - out around my daughter and others. the police should be protecting families from people like you, not attacking protestors because they have all this pepper spray and haven't had a chance to use it in a while.

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:31 AM

p.s. - where'd the video go? i don't see a link anymore

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by citizen Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:34 AM

i do love it and i WILL stay. and yes those people in iraq are waging war on this country. those people in iraq help plan and commit the acts of terrorism on our nation on 9/11. and no, i'm not going to iraq. what can't be said enough is, if you don't like what our country does to protect it's freedom, YOU leave!!!!
protestors like the ones today do NOTHING, not one thing to protect freedom, todays protestors are using a war to protect freedom as a platform/excuse to run amuck. that's it. nothing productive at all comes from blocking public passage and fighting with the police. todays actions just showed that even in 2003 people still act like animals and don't say the police did, they just HAD to be the zoo keepers. so don't say love it or leave it like that. that saying is for idiots who don't want to abide by THIS country's laws.

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by - Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 3:18 AM

>i do love it and i WILL stay.

no you don't - you hate freedom, you love violence and police control.

>and yes those people in iraq are waging war on this country. those people in iraq help plan and commit the acts of terrorism on our nation on 9/11

false, the cia has said there is no connection between 9/11 and iraq. you do not know what you are talking about.

>and no, i'm not going to iraq.

then you're just a loudmouth - surprise surprise

> what can't be said enough is, if you don't like what our country does to protect it's freedom, YOU leave!!!!

you have yet to establish HOW we're protecting our freedom - because you cannot do it. so instead, you have produced this frustrated and antagonistic response. its quite pathetic

>a war to protect freedom

ditto

> fighting with the police.

you, like the rest of the right-wing loons on this site, are confused about what happenned, and that's because YOU WEREN'T THERE. like all loons, you like to talk most about what you have no idea about.

>so don't say love it or leave it like that. that saying is for idiots who don't want to abide by THIS country's laws.

i agree, but you just told me to leave, ironically. and i can say whatever i want - so LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT coward. aren't the soldiers protecting my freedom of speech from all the eeeeevil iraqis and their tan skin?

p.s. - the constitution guarantees the right to PEACABLY assemble - which is exactly what happenned today. the government doesn't give people rights, the people give government responsibility. get it straight.

>todays actions just showed that even in 2003 people still act like animals and don't say the police did, they just HAD to be the zoo keepers.

it wasn't easy deciphering this sentence. who was acting like an animal? i'd say the bald jagoff who ruthlessly attacked people. from my own eyewitness account to the pictures that are all over this site, you can see him spraying and attacking people on the sidewalk. you defend him because you hate freedom and you hate this country.

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citizen
by shocked and awed Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 3:47 AM

wow citizen. there is not a single person more qualified than you to define exactly what's wrong with this country and this war. let's say it again:

THERE IS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN 9-11 AND THE IRAQ WAR.

you have fallen prey to mr. bush's misleading, racist leadership. maybe now that you have been enlightened, you would care to join our side. looks like you were deceived by those people you so faithfully follow!

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citizen, et al
by nick Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:59 PM

i am saddened to see you, citizen, and so many others like you mistaking containment for freedom. i cannot but help see your likening protestors to animals and police to zookeepers as an excellent example of manufactured consent. you, and all who are in your camp, seem to believe what we have all been told freedom truly means: i.e. that freedom is the freedom to feel cozy and warm and safe in our insulated brick boxes while the "zookeepers" keep all the roving hoardes of "animals" from violating your womb-like existence. but i need to tell you one thing: the world is out here - with us. the world of your television is but an illusion. i understand that you will probably disagree with me, and perhaps even feel angry. maybe you will not even read this far. i only invite you to come WITNESS for yourself what is happening, rather than trusting your ability to interpret a photograph after the fact. we are marching for your freedom too...

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still idiots
by citizen Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 7:22 PM

let's get a few things straight. i was there and was right in the middle of all of your stupidity. YES, the police did have to be zookeepers as all the protestors were acting like animals. and get your info straight. the cia said that iraq may or may not have been involved. but as you should hopefully know by now, as i do. OUR soldiers found information about the attack and iraq's involvment in planning and funding it, in an iraqi hospital basement. so, obviously they were involved. and for all that keep whining about people being arrested on the sidewalk, and not provoking the police....you are NOT allowed to block ANY passage, road or sidewalk. and when you stop traffic and pedestrian from moving (even if for only a few mins.) you are breaking the law and you are restricting the freedom of those people). kind of defeats your entire purpose, huh. police do NOT have to wait to be provoked, if you fail to obey thier orders they are permitted by law to use what is called, the ladder of force. after verbal commands comes pepper spray. that's it... no arguing about it, that's the law... if you don't like it, don't break it. so now do you all get it.

THERE IS A CONNECTION BETWEEN 9/11 AND IRAQ.... AND YOU DID BREAK THE LAW...... AND THE POLICE DON'T NEED TO WAIT TO BE PROVOKED....AND YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO RESTRICT THE FREEDOM OF ANYONES MOVEMENT FOR ANY LENGHT OF TIME......AND YOUR NOT ALLOWED TO EVER BLOCK A STREET OR A SIDEWALK AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON... you would all know these things if you just got the proper permits... end of story.... you people were WRONG.

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re: provoked
by Gwendolyn R. Schmidt Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 8:34 PM
gwen@slackers.net

AND THE POLICE DON'T WAIT TO BE PROVOKED

I'm glad you're a proponent of pre-emptive action. When the cops come knocking down your door because you *might* be selling drugs to someone because someone else said so (or did you realize that information in the national database need not be substantiated as of last week?), I hope you appreciate every American minute of it.

Hi everyone, I can't discuss details of my incarceration at this time, but I am looking for any and all footage of my arrest and beatings of protesters. Please email me if you have anything that you are willing to give to me, and thus my attorney.

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Maybe
by Doesn't matter Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 8:39 PM

Anti-war protestors, consider this: You probably won't have problems with the police if you hold your rallies in non-disruptive ways. You are trying to come off as if your marches are just a peaceful display of solidarity and brotherhood. I say that is clearly not the case, because you must realize by now that blocking the streets of downtown Pittsburgh, Washington, New York, or anywhere is highly disruptive.
Don't clog the streets and piss people off. Hold a peaceful rally in a public park. Why not Schenley? Invite the media, and people will find out if they care. Don't force your opinions on people. More importantly, don't claim to be peaceful, but then seek out conflict and then cry when you get it.
I do still hope for peace, but I would not endorse the peace rallies I have seen and heard about recently. The movement is being hijacked by people with agendas that often have nothing to do with the ideal of peace. Don't let them give the movement a bad name.

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wheres the video?
by Ya Basta! Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 8:42 PM

i dont see a link or anything for the video. how will i be able to watch it?

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Security
by Rovin' Workman Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 10:38 PM

I believe it was removed because of security concerns, and in accordance with IMC principles of unity. Will hopefully be back soon.

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idiot
by lou Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 11:47 PM

dweebs , no guts, I know cops that would split your head open just for that comment.... All 50 of them. And I would sit back and laugh... You liberal people are the ones that are making this country go into the toilets.

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citizen, et al
by nick Tuesday, Apr. 01, 2003 at 9:39 AM

i think we all owe folks like citizen a great big thank you! if we are to understand the sheer brutality of those who need to justify actions such as those taken by the police on sunday, we need look no further than the enlightened comments by those profound pundits of narrowminded namecalling. nice work! i cannot begin to tell you how much i appreciate having someone demonstrate for all looking on just how irrational a human being can be in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are simply wrong.
as i said before, it will not surprise me if you decide to respond to this with another tirade (replete with misspellings, if you will allow me this one potshot), but to all of you who have ears to hear, remember that we are fighting even for the lowest common denomenator! rejoice that citizen and his/her symapathetics add to the diversity that makes this country great!

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You get what you seek
by Doesn't Matter Tuesday, Apr. 01, 2003 at 1:00 PM

Nick, like I said in an earlier post, it's your own fault that you had problems with the police. You sought conflict by blocking the streets of downtown Pittsburgh, and you got it. Stop crying about it. If you don't like it, stop forcing the police to deal with you by holding your rallies somewhere where they don't get in everyone's way.
You are forcing the police to waste their time, and taxpayer money, by making them get you off the streets so that the other 99.9% of the people who live here can use them. Usually you try to resist leaving the street too, making their job even harder. They ARE acting in the interest of the people. Those streets belong to everyone, not just you. You could have easily held your rally anywhere, but instead chose to harass the people of Pittsburgh, many of whom actively disagree with your point of view. Again, you sought conflict, and you got it. Stop crying.

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thanks mama
by baby Tuesday, Apr. 01, 2003 at 11:05 PM

thanks mama...
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thanks mama

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why hide
by Mike Thursday, Apr. 03, 2003 at 12:38 AM

when I see people wearing masks and bandanas I see people who are afraid to show their faces maybe the police already have their pictures at the station

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IDIOTS
by Proud2beAmerican Thursday, Apr. 03, 2003 at 1:14 PM

You Protest against war, yet it is war that allows you to protest, if it was not for the men and women who fought and died so you can have the right to protest. Also you protest against violence, yet that is all you are, you conduct an illegal protest, marching on the street, blocking me from driving down the road, an innocent law respecting person, now you step all over my civil rights to prove your point. None of you have any respect for others, the law or this country. Why is it that you feel you have a right to break any laws, why are you any different? You all should go over to Iraq and become human sheilds. If you feel so deeply for your cause, lets see how you are allowed to speak your mind, or what happens when you break the law, until then stay off the street and out of my way. God Bless America and the brave men and women who will fight for it, not the coward behind a mask, carrying a sign.

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Now who's the dummy...
by frank little Saturday, Apr. 05, 2003 at 2:30 AM

Is there like a cookie-cutter response that right-wingers use for this site? I swear, there must be one person writing under twenty names, 'cause all the comments are the fucking same.

Here is an example:

1) We fought so you could have freedom
2) But we don't want you to really exercise your freedoms, or try to extend them
3) If you don't want to follow the laws, you can leave this country
4) Why don't you go over to Iraq (even though we must have gotten it through our thick skulls by now that you don't like the Iraqi government, either)

Optional add on:
1a) "dirty, hippy scum"
3b) If you don't want to follow the laws I'm gonna come and kick your ass
3c) You are cowardly for concealing your identity so we cannot target you and "neutralize" you.

__________
Note: Could it have been civil disobedience that led to the Bill of Rights in the first place?

What about the 8 hr. day?

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video
by nick Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 3:00 PM

hey,

i for some reason cannot find the video and i'd like to see it. did it come off the page?

peace
nick

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video
by nick Friday, Apr. 11, 2003 at 3:00 PM

hey,

i for some reason cannot find the video and i'd like to see it. did it come off the page?

peace
nick

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