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photos 3-30-03
by david Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 5:07 PM

my photos from today

photos 3-30-03...
arrest.jpg, image/jpeg, 200x150

http://homepage.mac.com/dm2243/PhotoAlbum4.html

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photo 2003-03-30
by Photoboy Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 6:39 PM

photo 2003-03-30...
2003-03-30_swissvale_police_with_shotgun_reduced.jpg, image/jpeg, 800x600

The officer in the car in the photo proceeded to place the shotgun into the trunk. However, many elements of power are juxtaposed: the shotgun in the hands, the pepper spray on the belt, the ACLU observer watching. This image was captured on Braddock Avenue immediately following several arrests.

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That officer is right
by A Friend Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 8:59 PM

I see nothing wrong with that officer getting ready to deal with you wackos. Let me start by telling you that if it was not for him we would not be able to walk in the land of the free. Again I see nothing wrong with him why do you, if you would stay home and not block my street with something you can not control, he and any other officer would not have to bring out the big guns.

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Wackos???
by Bob Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 10:09 PM

I see nothing wrong with that officer getting ready to deal with you wackos. Let me start by telling you that if it was not for him we would not be able to walk in the land of the free. Again I see nothing wrong with him why do you, if you would stay home and not block my street with something you can not control, he and any other officer would not have to bring out the big guns.

Wackos? haha. Land of the free??? jeez this guy keeps getting funnier and funnier. Well it was peaceful and I see no reason why anyone should have gotten arrested. Dude just go drive your SUV around some more and kill the world with your oil.

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ok
by go home Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 10:22 PM

Having a march specifically designed to hold up traffic and physically block people from getting where they want/need to go is not PEACEFUL! Standing on the corner with candles and signs, that's peaceful. I would argue it's even more effcient.

You people are no different than anti-abortion protestors or anyone else who fails to see that physically blocking other people is a violent act. Your right to extend your fist ends at the tip of my nose.

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go home has a point
by q Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 11:36 PM

maybe go home has a point. i mean holding people up, in their cars, for 10 minutes or so is violent. we(the marchers) are acting as cold blooded as the people we are protesting against. we should let the world know that from now on business as usual can return. we will turn a blind eye to a war that is immoral and illegal.(but since the u.s. is the biggest and strongest i guess "we" get to say what's is legal and what's not.) we'll let a war go on in a country that, according to the UN has destroyed 90-95% of their WMD. (although bush and the media ignores and manipulates this FACT.) sure, let the allied forces attack a country that is over 50% children, under the age of 15. oh shit, i forgot 9-11 already. of course the CIA, yes america's own CIA, still reports IRAQ HAS NO CONNECTION TO 9-11. (of course bush and the media manipulate this FACT, too.)

again, go home has a great point. in fact let me add...instead of violently stating our concerns about this "war" lets all stay home and watch Fox(faux) News and invest in Halliburton stock.(hey, daddy needs a new pair of shoes)

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see...
by go home Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 11:41 PM

Your snarky attitude is a perfect example of why I have zero respect for the left anymore. You are just as exclusionary and narrow-minded as the right. Perhaps tomorrow when you try to leave your house only to find 400-500 people standing on your front porch you will realize that this campaign of harrassment is getting you nowhere. Next time just line braddock with people (on the sidewalks) and have them hold candles while singing. God that would be beautiful, peaceful, and downright enjoyable.

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but!
by concerned AMERICA Sunday, Mar. 30, 2003 at 11:57 PM

but if people are standing in the sidewalks holding candles, how on earth am i supposed to by a can of paint?!!!

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marching
by GoinDownTheRoad Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:08 AM

Lining the sidewalk with people holding candles isn't exactly legal. This is why union strikers have to continuously walk in circles on the sidewalk. Yet, I think that the absurdity of people holding candles while getting pepper sprayed could be newsworthy.

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Yes
by Peter Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 12:42 PM

Yeah, blocking streets is really violent. Gandhi, MLK Jr. and everyone else involved in any CD are the real terrorists. Definately NOT the 22,000 pound bombs dropped on Iraq, nor the chemical weapons deployed against people *gasp* blocking traffic.

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re: ok
by el Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 1:25 PM

dear person,

hi. i think i'm a little confused as to how you can compare waiting in yr car for maybe 10 mins. while people are walking by to what a person goes through when they try to get to the doors of an abortion clinic.
that is of course unless you don't think abortion is a right in the same way you don't think marching down the street is a right.
yr comment is insensitive towards people in difficult situations, sexist and unkind.

i'm sorry if you actually HAD to be somewhere and you didn't feel comfortable asking the people who were marching/protesting to let you through b/c you needed to get to the hospital or you couldn't be late for work or something...but i'm assuming that those kinds of issues for you didn't come up b/c mostly likely you would've talked about them;
if they should happen to, please feel free to engage someone--i don't think that people marching want someone to not have a job or to miss their doctors appointments...
also, if you feel opposed to the war but don't like the way people are going about things...why don't you talk to some people and come up w/ ways that YOU feel comfortable taking a stance... perhaps other people will also feel more comfortable w/ the tactics you create
and our voices will be stronger in opposition to this war

-el roy red

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not all are lefties-not all are smart-asses
by q Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:08 PM

i don't know--go home i see your point, kinda. but i really dont think standing on the side lines with candles in hand while the world keeps turning is going to do anything. i can see how people, held up by protestors, would be frustrated. but are we that impatient as a society? the marchers are in the streets, whether you agree with our stance or not, for VERY important and serious reasons.

i honestly am not trying to be a smart-ass. i am serious when i ask how can people be so upset in their cars when others (americans and iraqis) are in a life and death situation. clearly they dont seemed to share our 'seriousness of this issue' views. this is an issue that needs serious attention and dialouge between real people.

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one-sided
by dc Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:43 PM

The problem, however is that it is not introducing a public dialogue, but a disruption. A listen to me or else. Perhaps some sort of arranged public discussion/forum instead a group traffic barrier?
When you merely hold people up in traffic, it is an exercise of power over all the other people stuck in their cars.

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this
by commentorite Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 2:52 PM

we are trying to change the world, not fix it. sure, talking with people and holding discussions is all nice and all, but it doesnt do shit. if we actually want the world to change, we have to go do it ourselves. blocking traffic is just the beginning.

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by . Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 3:05 PM

<i>we are trying to change the world, not fix it. sure, talking with people and holding discussions is all nice and all, but it doesnt do shit. if we actually want the world to change, we have to go do it ourselves. blocking traffic is just the beginning.</i>
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This is the exact same attitude the US has taken with Iraq. talking and discussions are nice and all, but they didn't change shit after 12 years of trying, so we go in and we do it ourselves.

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by . Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 3:13 PM

we are trying to change the world, not fix it. sure, talking with people and holding discussions is all nice and all, but it doesnt do shit. if we actually want the world to change, we have to go do it ourselves. blocking traffic is just the beginning.

This is the exact same attitude the US has taken with Iraq. talking and discussions are nice and all, but they didn't change shit after 12 years of trying, so we go in and we do it ourselves.

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Non Lethal Munitions a la JACKASS
by Prodigal Yunzer Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 5:13 PM

The police officer could be loaded with non lethal crowd control ammunition. See the movie "JACKASS" for a demonstation of the beanbag round. Rubber baton projectiles are very effective at demoralizing non compliant "peace protesters". Also, some police departments use 12 ga shotguns to fire tear gas.

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Remember the Shuttle disaster
by Ya Basta! Monday, Mar. 31, 2003 at 8:24 PM
DC

IF you remember the space shuttle disaster...

"I strongly suggest that all you Liberals and Democrats out there take a good close look at the recent Space Shuttle tragedy for an example of what happens when you don't pay enough attention to your left wing." (Mike Flugennock)

Hes fuckin' right! The left is counterproductive and are just a bunch of politicians.

Candle light vigils, prayer vigils, and picketting WILL NOT DO SHIT to stop the war!!! You can condemn and disregard anarchist/revolutionary tactics as much as you want, we are the ones who will stop the war. There are children dying and all you want to worry about is how to fill in the ballot and work through the very system that sent us on this adventurist, imperialist, capitalist, and jingoist war! Go wave your fucking flags... and waive your rights.

NO MORE PERMITTED MARCHES!!!!!!! Has BU$H gone to war with permission from the UN?!?!? FUCK THE LEFT!! FUCK THE RIGHT!!

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How about Telling the Truth, Guys!
by Shappy Tuesday, Apr. 01, 2003 at 10:13 AM

How about getting your facts straight. Your homepage states that officers sprayed you guys after they got you back on the sidewalk...watch the video you morons. The first group that got sprayed were still walking down the middle of the street. The rest of you got sprayed when you interfered with officers making arrests. And so much for a peaceful march. How can you say you are marching peacefully when you are tossing batteries and other similar items at officers on the streets. The simple fact is that you are not allowed to walk down the middle of the streets, whether PIttsburgh officers told you it was alright or not. If everyone would have stayed on the sidewalks, no one would be in this mess. So much for getting your point across.
Nick, we all are behind you.

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wrong again
by jwg Tuesday, Apr. 01, 2003 at 11:44 AM

let me stress again
NOT ONE THING WAS THROWN AT THE COPS.

if a group of 400 people began to throw rocks at the copr, the cops would've drawn waepns and made many many more arrests. The throwing comment was made by an out of control temporary officer with a hard-on for fighting.

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not everyone was throwing stuff
by Shappy Tuesday, Apr. 01, 2003 at 2:09 PM

Not everyone was throwing stuff, only a few select morons who hid in the crowd with masks on threw things at officers. Try a peaceful protest, following the rules of the boroughs and you will get your point across a lot better.

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again wrong
by jwg Tuesday, Apr. 01, 2003 at 2:21 PM

let me stress again

no one, not ever the kids in the masks... NO ONE THREW ANYTHING AT THE COPS.

I was no more than 10 feet away from tuffcop when he launched into the crowd, nothing was thrown.

honestly think about it... if people throw rocks at cops, cops draw their weapons, they may even use them, but they would definatly have drown their sidearms to quell any assault on themselves. This did not happen becuase no one had a single thing thrown at them

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